Posted on 10/22/2004 1:02:03 PM PDT by Plutarch
Or what would you recommend as a solution?
Or what would you recommend as a solution?
The IRS has no problem going after business who don't pay taxes, fine them go after businesses who hire illegally, without jobs the mass migration from developing nations would stop.
It's possible, but not likely.
I believe what the President said and tend to discount bureaucratic rumors for Kerry.
To bad the President has not been to the border. Me on the other hand, have spend 50+ hours a week, for the last 7 years, working on the border and its Ports of Entry.
My 7 years of first hand experience is far from the bureaucratic rumors for Kerry you wish to think it is.
My administration has tripled the amount of money we're spending on homeland security, to $30 billion a year.
To bad most of it is being wasted or mismanaged.
My administration worked with the Congress to create the Department of Homeland Security so we could better coordinate our borders and ports.
And so far, the DHS has turn out to be a huge bureaucratic blunder.
We got a thousand extra Border Patrol on the Southern border
He's either misinformed or he's a bold faced liar.
more than a thousand on the Northern border.
Of which most came from the Southern Border.
We're modernizing our borders.
Yes we are, too slowly, but we are modernizing. Of course, none of it matters, if you don't increase the manpower, which has not happened.
One suggestion I read about was a $10,000 fine per illegal - $5,000 going to the person providing the info.
Believe me, the problem would dry up fast.
The reason no one is "doing anything" about the borders is simply because- why bother when you plan to institute a North American "trade zone"? The government isn't going to dump money into sealing up the border when it plans to erase it.
Pay no attention to the FTAA....continue you're spending...nothing to see here....Homeland Security! Yeah that's it!!
Oh man, not this again. How many solutions need be shouted from the roof tops? The solutions are many, none have been implemented. Other wise this endless flood would have been stopped or dramatically curtailed.
Have you ever heard President Bush get on national television and demand or even suggest that Presidente Fox and his corrupt government pay for this epic fraud and expense caused by his people that show zero respect for our laws and borders?
This has become unacceptable! Who is taking responsibility here? Someone needs to start paying for this chaos, besides the tax payers. This is far beyond out of control, and only escalates.
How out of date is THAT map?
Arlington County, VA which is just outside of DC should be light blue.
Not coincidentally, Arlington County, VA is loaded to the gills with liberal democrats.
I've got no problem with a guest worker program, just not one that rewards (amnesty) illegal aliens, like Bush's or Kerry's or the one’s floating around Congress.
As for the Military on the border, I'm against it. I don't think the Military should be used in a civilian police function and my experience with the folks they did send down was negative.
To fix the problem on the border, we must first address the Welfare State that America has become. A guest worker program only will not work. A guest worker program with more agents will not work. The ENTIRE immigration system has to retooled, not just small parts of it.
See above.
The Bush proposal, not even close to policy yet, was a suggestion to get the reformers working, but they are doing nothing that has a chance of passage.
How do you define amnesty?
The Bush proposal would stymie the ability of the illegal to find work, and they know it. That is why they do not support anything but amnesty and are currently supporting Kerry.
How would the Bush proposal stymie the ability of illegal aliens to find work?
The map is not current...just provided for illustrative purposes, and no doubt much worse than shown.
The flaw in your analogy is that reduced penalties for drug use doesn't mean that the users get to keep their drugs and use them.
On the southern border, our manpower is basically the same as it was prior to 9/11, give or take a few dozen agents.
Can you document that? Thanks.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1253927/posts
Bush backs temporary work ID for immigrants
OK for jobs unfilled by Americans, he tells Hispanic audience
The Tancredo guest-worker plan requires potential workers to apply from their home countries.
Sure, get a reporter that has the balls to report the truth, working for a news service that has the balls to print the truth and send them down to the border and speak with the Border Patrol Agents and CBP Officers when they are off duty and away from management, and it might get printed.
Of course, since Bush and Company has threatened to fire us if we speak out, most won't even talk to you then.
Yes it does. The plan still has flaws in my opinion, but his is the best one out there.
There are millions of people in Mexico and South America that have never once broken out laws and would love to come up here and work. IMO, anyone and I mean anyone that was here illegally, should never ever again be able to enter or work in this country. There are plenty of folks out there that have never broken our laws that we can get to come and contribute to America.
I agree with what you said about our "welfare state." Legal immigrants (technically, their spouses) have to pay back any means tested benefits, while employers and others lobby for whatever illegal immigrants can get from the system. And legal immigrants probably don't take much in the way of means tested benefits at all.
Multiculturalism also costs us. If companies want to hire people who speak other languages and have other cultures, those companies should foot the bills for education--not the federal government. It's not about color, but it is about the economy. There are quite a few employers in my area that are paying Mexican national men about $15 per hour (give or take, here and there) to do construction labor, but they refuse to hire local citizen young men because of matters of personal vanity. They want to have submissive attitudes and the code of silence around them more than they want money.
Multiculturalism isn't really fair, IMO. For a change, inviting people who could pass tests in English, pro-American History and allegiance wouldn't be too much to ask.
And someone should really be listening to you on Homeland Security. You have the experience to know a few things about organization and tactics in your end of the work. Congress does have a lot to do with messing all of those things up, though--DHHS, DHS, all, for money to the states.
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