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Keyes, Obama face off on faith, fundamentals
The Daily Northwestern ^ | October 22, 2004 | By Shira Toeplitz

Posted on 10/22/2004 12:49:10 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

CHICAGO -- U.S. Senate candidates Barack Obama and Alan Keyes clashed with energy Thursday night in a debate that focused on local legislative issues and personal faith.

ABC-7 news anchor Ron Magers moderated the debate, sponsored by the League of Women Voters of Illinois and a panel of three local journalists questioned the candidates. The candidates also had the opportunity to ask each other one question.

Abortion featured prominently as a differentiating issue between the candidates. Republican candidate Keyes is against abortion in all cases. Keyes also quoted statistics on disproportionately high rates of abortion among African American women.

"(Abortion) has killed 13 million black babies since Roe v. Wade," said Keyes. "(That's) 25 percent of the black population today."

When asked about how faith played into his life, Obama said it plays a role in his decisions, but he does not want to impose it on the state.

"I'm not running to be the minister of Illinois," Obama said. "I'm running to be the senator of Illinois."

The panel of journalists also focused on gun control, in particular referring to Obama's voting record in the Illinois State Senate. Obama referred to the recent expiration of the assault weapon ban in the U.S. Congress and his continued support for gun control.

"It helps when they don't have an assault weapon with them when they shoot into that crowd," Obama said.

Keyes said he wanted to ensure that citizens have the right to defend themselves.

"Law abiding citizens should have a right to bear arms," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailynorthwestern.com ...


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1 posted on 10/22/2004 12:49:10 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
"Law abiding citizens should have a right to bear arms," he said.

I disagree: Law abiding citizens should CONTINUE to have a right to bear arms.

2 posted on 10/22/2004 12:54:47 PM PDT by SpinyNorman (Kerry's "global test" doesn't pass the smell test. Come to think of it, neither does Kerry.)
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To: SpinyNorman

I brilliant correction....


3 posted on 10/22/2004 12:56:12 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Jim Robinson
No energy at all from Obama.

Keyes had the better arguments....the better logic too. However, that will no doubt be lost on the majority of dems.

4 posted on 10/22/2004 12:58:03 PM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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To: SpinyNorman; anniegetyourgun

Give me a break.

As if Keyes didn't mean that also.


5 posted on 10/22/2004 12:59:28 PM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: k2blader

Of course, I never said he didn't.


6 posted on 10/22/2004 1:02:39 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks JR for the post. I am always interested in this race. Go Keyes!


7 posted on 10/22/2004 1:02:48 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero)
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To: Jim Robinson
When asked about how faith played into his life, Obama said it plays a role in his decisions, but he does not want to impose it on the state.

"I'm not running to be the minister of Illinois," Obama said. "I'm running to be the senator of Illinois."

Classic straw argument.

8 posted on 10/22/2004 1:04:49 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: anniegetyourgun

"Correction" implies Keyes was wrong in the first place.

When it comes down to it, both statements mean the same thing.


9 posted on 10/22/2004 1:06:32 PM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I watched it on C-Span last night. I was so proud of Alan Keyes . . . and someone told him to smile more. He was GREAT!!!!!!!!!! Obama looks anorexic/sickly.


10 posted on 10/22/2004 1:07:26 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (,)
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To: Saundra Duffy

His smile blasts me out of my seat. In a good way, of course. :-)


11 posted on 10/22/2004 1:09:04 PM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: k2blader; SpineyNorman

I thought it was a great correction to the statement. Still do.


12 posted on 10/22/2004 1:09:13 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

Okay. I suppose there are better things to argue over. :-)


13 posted on 10/22/2004 1:11:25 PM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Keyes is awesome. He needs to take off the kid gloves though. Seemed like he was holding back.


14 posted on 10/22/2004 1:12:22 PM PDT by softengine (Once you acquiesce, its all downhill from there.)
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To: softengine

I haven't followed this race too closely. Does Keyes have a chance? The last I heard he was trailing.


15 posted on 10/22/2004 1:19:16 PM PDT by VA_Gentleman
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To: VA_Gentleman

The debates will help Keyes a bit with the polls, make things a bit closer but he probably won't get enough poll swing in the next ten days to make a difference.

I'll bet the "13 million black babies aborted" statement was an eye opener to some blacks at least...though sadly again, not enough to make a difference!


16 posted on 10/22/2004 1:33:00 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (The Democrats must be defeated in 2004)
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To: VA_Gentleman

by about 50 or 60 points


17 posted on 10/22/2004 1:33:33 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Saundra Duffy; Jim Robinson
He was brilliant. And he mangaged to do so in a measured and modulated way that would again appeal to many voters who have only heard the lie that he is a "madman for God".

Obama looked like a man who had received secret and very bad polling data.

18 posted on 10/22/2004 1:34:25 PM PDT by Siobhan (Pray without ceasing.)
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To: k2blader

He looks a lot better when he flashes his 'pearlies.' He only did it once. All his other smiles were suppressed. When he flashes his teeth, it's another way of saying, "Top THAT, sucka!"


19 posted on 10/22/2004 2:01:52 PM PDT by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be")
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you for the synopsis of the Obama-Keyes debate. No more Comcast for me, but I did see the first debate where
Mr. Keyes waxed brilliantly on all subjects and Obama weakly reiterated everything Keyes had said. Anyone
with any grey matter watching that debate should champion Alan Keyes. He's head and shoulders above Obama.

Sorry I missed the second debate but I'll say a little prayer that his time has come.


20 posted on 10/22/2004 2:59:46 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( OK Illinois, get out there and vote for Alan Keyes!)
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