Posted on 10/21/2004 7:38:23 PM PDT by vannrox
The libertarian Williams contradicts the constitutionalist Williams: An immoral action by an individual doesn't become moral when committed by a democracy, or a constitutional republic.
A socialist is a communist who doesn't quite yet grasp the truth that for his philosphy to prevail requires the enslavement and murder of other human beings. Upon coming to this realization, a socialist happily becomes a communist.
A socialist is merely a polite communist.
Socialism is Communism without guns.
Most disturbing is Kerry's position on Communism. Communism is the greatest evil that man has ever known. It is responsible for more than 100 millions deaths (more than all the wars in history combined), millions and millions of refugees and the subjugation and slavery of over 2 billion people since WWII. Communist regimes always follow a similar pattern. A Communist regime has never been elected, so first Communists must orchestrate a revolution, often with the support of funding from preexisting Communist regime. Next, Communists dissolve private property, nationalize media and begin a brutal purge of political prisoners and the upper classes. To conduct it's class warfare and maintain control of the revolting people, the state will militarize, establish a large secret police presence, and create horrific labor/reeducation camps. The economy collapses, failed farm policies result in starvation, refugees flee, and the government begins to export Communist revolution abroad. How far the government is willing to push the Communist philosophy will directly equate with the severity of these events and the suffering of their people. This exact pattern has come to pass in the Soviet Union, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, North Korea, Angola, Eastern Europe, Yugoslavia, Nicaragua, El Salvador and Cuba. A few countries on this list have not experienced the true hell of Communism because the governments either didn't last long enough to take full root, or total Communist policies were not pursued in earnest.
From 'John Kerry's Foreign Policy'
http://www.neoperspectives.com/johnkerry.htm
Walt pretty much hammered socialism good, but he seems to have lost it a bit when morphing to democracy.. Democracy sucks every time in every place in every way, always.. Democracy "IS" mob rule. The biggest mob or consortium mobs wins absolutely.. OK for primitive gov'ts like in URP or the middle east even.. But only a republic like ours, which is unique for any republic where the States are soverign and the fed. gov't is merely a client is unique.. Sad to say the U.S. has been morphed into a democracy by democrats and republicans never even saw it coming.. Mob rule is what we have, not the republic we started out with.. The only way the republic can redeemed AT ALL is by civil war.. The democrats and some republicans will fight it tooth and nail thinking they are patriotic.. The time is almost pasted for that civil war too.. If it does not happen all the whining here in this forum about will result in just that...
FOOTNOTES:
Democracy is the road to socialism. Karl Marx
Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. V.I. Lenin
The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.- Karl Marx
We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.~Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
What do you call President Bush's programs to help the illegal aliens?
Walter is great... bump.
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i could not agree with you more.
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check back and read later.
It's certainly a fact that Kerry has had an early history of flirting with commies.
But is there other evidence that he himself is a commie or socialist?
He is not a communist. Whether he is a socialist depends on you definition of a socialist. The line between liberalism and socialism is not always entirely clear. He has advocated socialistic policies, but during this campaign he has taken more 'moderate' approaches. If elected I believe Kerry will take the country closer to socialism, but not all the way. (I actually would argue that a large part of our country is socialistic now, example: our education system). Republicans are not withut faults either, this medicaid bill that Bush passed was socialistic.
hope taht answers your question. did you read my whole article? did it seem like I was implying that he was a communist? (he may have been when he was younger, I don't know)
"Socialism is murder"
Yep, that just about covers it!
Yes, I read the article, it is a nice resource, actually. I think I'll bookmark it.
I happen to agree with your assessment of Kerry, the Republicans and the state of socialism in the US.
It's hard to tell what principles Kerry has, if any. It would seem that they are leftist, but he is coy. The history that you've assembled gives an indication at least.
My definition of socialism is pretty standard, I think: a democratic political system in which everyone works for the common good of the community, this goal being achieved through an egalitarianism which not only seeks equality among men, but seeks common ownership of the means of production, in other words, collectivism. The fact that such a system is by definition totalitarian seems to escape most liberals, but, IMO, is appreciated by many politicians on the left, if not the right.
Many liberals that I talk to will tell me that their guiding principles are the same as mine, individual freedom!
But they always vote left, no matter what, "by the issues," as they say. The fact that liberals are tricked into voting, in the service of various causes, for giving arbitrary and increasing power to central government has led me to the recent conclusion that "liberals" actually do not have any political principles at all.
Of course here I am drawing a distinction between "liberals" and true socialists or leftists who do actually have political principles, the principles of socialism.
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