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8 years for Abu Ghraib soldier (is an outrage.)
CNN.com ^ | 10/21/04 | blueskyline

Posted on 10/21/2004 4:37:37 PM PDT by blueskyline

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The highest-ranking U.S. soldier charged in the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal in Iraq has been sentenced to eight years in prison.

Staff Sgt. Ivan "Chip" Frederick, a U.S. Army reservist from Virginia, also was sentenced Thursday to a forfeiture of pay, a dishonorable discharge and a reduction in rank to private.

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To: Dave S

>The idiot got what he deserved<

You bet he did! I had no problem if they lined them all up and shot them on the spot. What they did was give the enemy more ammunition to use as an excuse to torture our people if they got them. Their behavior was reprehensible and an embarassment to the U.S.A. and reflected badly on those service men and women that are out there doing the right thing. They are scum!


81 posted on 10/21/2004 7:38:15 PM PDT by Proud Conservative2 (hey, hey, ho, ho, KERRY sign a 180. You lying, sneaky coward!)
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To: blueskyline
Panties on head (the reason we were attacked on 911, according to the logic expressed above.) Never forget!


82 posted on 10/21/2004 7:46:58 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: SubMareener

***** This is the kind of soldier who brings disgrace to his fellows and to his country. Think of the damage this guy did to our image in Iraq*****

I mentioned to a co-worker that most other inmates where ever they place this man will probably think more highly of him than the Military does. He might well be considered a 'hero' albeit a fallen one by the other inmates.

And WHY DON'T THE IRAQI'S CONSIDER THEIR 'IMAGE' WHEN THEY'RE SAWING OFF THE HEADS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE THEY KIDNAP????

What is wrong with you that you're more concerned about our "image" with a bunch of heathen mass murderers than you are with THEIR image of "Heathen Mass Murderers" to the entire world -- minus the 1.2 MILLION other Muslims who could be 'sleeper cells' waiting for word to saw off YOUR neck?

The USofA should have had firing squads set up as soon as they had the camp ready and started giving them the same treatment they gave so many of their own Country Men, Women and Children. They do NOT need to be let go. They are TERRORISTS and the only way to stop Terror is to ELIMINATE what produces Terror.

And Yes, I'll be happy to gently sqeeze the trigger of a rifle aimed at any Terrorist.


83 posted on 10/21/2004 7:47:48 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (November 2, 2004. Can't get here quickly enough.)
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To: SubMareener

This is not the kind of soldier you want to help. This is the kind of soldier who brings disgrace to his fellows and to his country. Think of the damage this guy did to our image in Iraq,..


Exactly.
84 posted on 10/21/2004 7:53:17 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: blueskyline
I for one, am not outraged.

I think the sentence is justified, considering the damage done.

I only hope that Karpinsky sees the inside of a jail for a while, but I don't think it will happen.

Personally, I would like to beat the hell out of them. I would say that if everyone who wanted to, got to do it, they could skate on the jail sentence. (but they might be safer there)

85 posted on 10/21/2004 7:58:47 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: blueskyline
No, what's an outrage is that he didn't get 20 years. It was wrong. Totally wrong.

I have a son in Iraq. I don't want anyone to be confused that this garbage is condoned or encouraged or "normal."

86 posted on 10/21/2004 8:05:06 PM PDT by cookcounty (Kerry launched his career by trashing the VN Vets. He ends by trashing the NG. Such class.)
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To: Cold Heat
I do agree that some officers need to do jail time, as well.

(Disclosure: I was enlisted)

87 posted on 10/21/2004 8:11:26 PM PDT by cookcounty (Kerry launched his career by trashing the VN Vets. He ends by trashing the NG. Such class.)
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To: cookcounty

disclosure:[ex-noncom]:-)


88 posted on 10/21/2004 8:13:12 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: Rakkasan1
I agree sink spur. I wish teachers who commit statutory
rape with students got the same punishment this guy got.


The real question is: How much did sKerry got for treason???
89 posted on 10/21/2004 8:42:55 PM PDT by danamco
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To: blueskyline
I'm outraged at the sentencing of this soldier

I agree. This soldier is the fall guy. Let me illustrate how by citing my experiences working retail, as a manager of a store (mine is hardly a unique story)

I worked for a company that demanded its store be open a certain number of hours. However, regional managment was unwilling to pay more than a fixed amount in salaries per month. Regional Management, in effect, said to me "keep the store open 105 hours a week within budget". Which I did by asking my workers to do some stuff "off the clock", and of course I worked extra hours also.

My superiors never asked that I enforce off-the-clock work. I was simply told to solve the problem whatever way I could.

This soldier was probably also asked to achieve an end. And his his superiors looked the other way, as illicit means were employed. Organized, unlawful behavior rarely comes from an explicit order.

With Abu Ghraib, sergants, corporals and privates will go to prison while Cabinet members will keep their posts. The investigations continue, but let's not forget the essential story: Those at the top insisted on certain results but wouldn't spell out how to get them. It is the way of the world, and more is the pity..

90 posted on 10/21/2004 9:51:56 PM PDT by Teplukin
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To: blueskyline
This isn't about Kerry. This isn't about Berger. This is about an NCO who committed crimes on people who were under his custody and control. He violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the Geneva Conventions. He allowed his subordinates to participate in his and other crimes. He violated his oath of service and his actions tainted the service of all the honorable men and women of the United States Armed Forces.

He entered a guilty plea in order to get a reduced sentence. He was given that sentence, and I sincerely hope he serves every day. I hope he serves that sentence and the U.S. Military Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth, and not at some other lesser military prison.

He will not be held in a position of honor by his fellow inmates. He will be regarded as the lowest of the low, even by them.

I hope that President Bush never gives in to any sentiment that this man should be pardoned or released early.

This is an NCO who broke faith with all of his fellow service members, exposing them to the increased chance of maltreatment should they ever be captured by enemy forces.

He is fortunate that I was not the military judge who accepted his guilty plea and sentenced him.

I say all of this as a military retiree who fully understands the gravity of this man's actions, and how they caused grievious damage to our nation and to our nation's military forces.

91 posted on 10/21/2004 9:58:41 PM PDT by gaelwolf
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To: Polybius
Bump. Thanks for your synopsis.

I've been trying to google old threads to find the timeline and names.
I agree with your description of the media's exploitation of this story (CBS in particular, but hardly the exclusive as the NYTimes kept Abu Ghraib on the front page for 30 consecutive days in 2004). It WAS the turning point in the war.

It (the story) was designed (in the media's eyes) to turn the public against the war and the Bush administration (assuring a Democrat win). It RESULTED in the murder of Nick Berg (but not his kidnapping, he and others were already being held hostage).

It DID ramp up the jihadist role in the "insurgency" which had formerly consisted of Iraqi soldiers who didn't want to give up. Terrorists have been flooding into Iraq ever since.
92 posted on 08/10/2006 2:30:19 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: jocko12

She is in a protected class too.


93 posted on 08/10/2006 2:50:02 PM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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