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Bush Surged After Kerry Attacked Mary Cheney
newsmax.com ^ | Monday, Oct. 18, 2004 7:12 p.m. EDT

Posted on 10/18/2004 4:25:43 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch

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To: JustaCowgirl
Edwards simply managed to sugarcoat his remarks more than Kerry did, and couch them in less offensive terms. The intent was entirely the same, believe me.
I'm saying what the perception of even neutral columinsts was. Dick Cheney didn't seem to think they were that harsh....but he made himself clear: "I disagree with the President on this one, but I'm not giving you a soundbite to use against us.

-Eric

21 posted on 10/18/2004 4:40:34 PM PDT by E Rocc (There are D, there are P, and there are A....)
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To: InvisibleChurch
I'm not sure that K's remark was the direct cause of the "surge"---and I don't trust the polls anyway. If, indeed, it was, the Bush team would do well to continue taking the high ground.

Safire pointed out that Cahill's "fair game" stance flatly contradicted Kerry's insistence that the remark was kindly meant.

22 posted on 10/18/2004 4:41:48 PM PDT by Innisfree
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To: InvisibleChurch
I disagree with the premise of the headline. Kerry did not attack Mary Cheney. What he did was to attempt to create a cognitive disconnect in Bush supporters by attempting to drive some sort of wedge issue into the families of the Administration.

However, most conservatives and moderates tend to think of the word "lesbian" as a vulgar term. It carries the conotation equivalent to "nigger" in terms of a slur. I realize most radical lesbians relish the label, but most of America is content to use the word "gay", even when referring to female homosexuals.

Had Kerry used "gay" or "homosexual" in referring to Mary Cheney, the moderate backlash wouldn't have been so strong. It was a mistake to bring her up personally in any event, but he compounded his error by his use of labels.

23 posted on 10/18/2004 4:41:58 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

I agree with you in regards of the term he used, "lesbian". I consider that a gross word. He could have been respectful and say gay or homosexual, not LESBIAN like she was some freak animal.However, if he had had any respect he wouldn't have mention her in the first place! (G)

Thank you,

John


24 posted on 10/18/2004 4:48:00 PM PDT by John_7Diamonds
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To: InvisibleChurch

Dukakis' "Kitty" moment

Kerry's "Mary Cheney" moment

bye bye Kerry goodbye


25 posted on 10/18/2004 4:48:07 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: Dog Gone
The biggest problem was to presuppose he knows the mind of Mary Cheney.
26 posted on 10/18/2004 4:48:58 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (If it talks like a liberal, votes like a liberal and spends like a liberal, it's a liberal.)
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To: E Rocc

They replayed Dick Cheney's face while Edwards was speaking. I could see him thinking "why doesn't this bag of puss shut up"

Then he made it clear that he was not going to discuss this further. He showed class by thanking Edwards but it was meant as a slap in the face and nothing more.


27 posted on 10/18/2004 4:50:07 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Well, the problem is that it's a week old already.

The incumbent GOP are gentlemen...compared to the DNC.

The stories I'm hearing are disquieting to me.

You have to figure that Minoities, MTV, rock star bands, Michael Moore, Hollywood, and the Mainstream Media, Soros', Tv Hosts...encompass a helleva lot of people.

If they get more of their drones off their asses and vote...it might be close.

That'w why I don't trust the "likely voters poll. They don't figure 1st time voters....not the numbers Moore and Co., are begging for.

28 posted on 10/18/2004 4:50:16 PM PDT by DCPatriot (I don't do politically correct very well either.)
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To: ArmyBratCutie

If you said, and now I've said, it MUST be true. Somebody get word to W immediately!


29 posted on 10/18/2004 4:51:21 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

HAHAHAHHAHHAHA
amen to that!!....now, who to call?? hahahahhaha


30 posted on 10/18/2004 4:53:14 PM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: InvisibleChurch

Yeah, the tactic of taking a shot at an individual not on the ticket or subject to scrutiny HAD to have been suggested to the Kerry campaign by some member of the regime of the "Former Occupant of the Oval Office, 1993-2001".

This way, no fingerprints, because the damage to Kerry was self-inflicted, and there was zero chance of a do-over, if there was no immediate apology, a social nicety to which Kerry does not often avail himself.

Other than that, Kerry "won" all three debates. But this nation is not governed by debates. Or nuance.


31 posted on 10/18/2004 4:54:08 PM PDT by alloysteel
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To: E Rocc
I disagree. I'm old but I'm not that senile.

Forgive me but I distinctly remember Cheney "thanking" Edwards for mentioning his daughter WAY out of context. And Cheney's tone and words were condescending, IMO.

I'm surprised I'm not seeing that opinion anywhere else...because it was clear as MUD to me! ;^)

32 posted on 10/18/2004 4:55:17 PM PDT by DCPatriot (I don't do politically correct very well either.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Bush surged because the people saw his heart and knew he was a good man.


33 posted on 10/18/2004 4:57:32 PM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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To: ArmyBratCutie

Karl usually calls around midnight for advice and counsel. I'll let him know that ABC feels strongly about this. That should do it ;-)


34 posted on 10/18/2004 4:57:40 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: cripplecreek

Kerry's remarks demonstrated his own low character, Kerry's lack of integrity highlighted Bush's own qualities. It is human nature to take someone for granted. Kerry's remarks reminded people why they have liked Geroge Bush, you can depend on him to be decent.


35 posted on 10/18/2004 4:59:52 PM PDT by rodeo-mamma (the democrats always encourage our enemies)
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To: InvisibleChurch

36 posted on 10/18/2004 5:02:09 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: IndianPrincessOK

"they might rise above it....but the Swifties might be holding back some arsenal..."

I pray that the Swiftees have film of Kerry burning and urinating on a flag that will debut next week. Oh how sweet it would be.


37 posted on 10/18/2004 5:02:28 PM PDT by rocky88 (" John Kerry has no such clear, precise and consistent vision." - Rudy Guiliani)
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To: Question Liberal Authority
I agree with you wholeheartedly about Kerry giving the impression about appearing Presidential. It's all about appearances, not substance. But in the end, substance stays with a person. You can't judge a book by it's cover. Most Americans are wise enough to recognize this.
38 posted on 10/18/2004 5:05:44 PM PDT by rodeo-mamma (the democrats always encourage our enemies)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

there you go!!...I had confidence you'd know!!
hahaahahahaahah
(HE should call you, and others here...more informative than all the talking heads on tv)


39 posted on 10/18/2004 5:05:56 PM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: John_7Diamonds

McClain could have done a lot more than he has.


Schwarzenneger could help too...


40 posted on 10/18/2004 5:14:32 PM PDT by IndianPrincessOK (Native American pleading for Truth!)
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