Congress Considering National ID Card

The American Conservative Union ^ | October 18, 2004 | aculistmanager@laptoplobbyist.com

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

 

 

Dear Friend of the ACU:

Kiss your civil liberties and right to privacy goodbye!

Do you believe that you should be compelled to carry a National ID Card that is imprinted with your fingerprint or your DNA imprint or other highly personal and private information?

Do you believe that you should be required to produce this ID card on demand -- when you go to the grocery store or cross state lines or pay your taxes or at the whim of some petty government bureaucrat?

This is not science fiction folks -- nor is it a scene out of a futuristic "B-movie" -- the technology exists and if Congress gets its way -- it's going to be a reality.

Unless -- of course -- you join with me to take a stand today and urge the Senate and House Conference Committee to kill the National ID Card provisions from S.2845 and H.R. 10.

 

Use the hyperlink below and join with me in sending a personalized Blast Fax message to the thirteen key Senators and the nine key House Members who will be considering this legislation.  Tell them that any National ID Card provisions must be stripped from H.R. 10 and S.2845. Tell them that no amount of security is worth turning the United States into a Police State.

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Show Me Your Papers Please

"We beat the Germans in World War II. We don't want to be a show-us-your-papers kind of country."  Those are the words of author David Kopel.

But perhaps Congressman Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) said it best.

"The much-hailed 9/11 Commission report released in July recommends a federal identification card and, worse, a 'larger network of screening points' inside the United States. Does this mean we are to have 'screening points' inside our country where American citizens will be required to 'show their papers' to government officials? It certainly sounds that way!"

Paul goes on to say, "A national identification card, in whatever form it may take, will allow the federal government to inappropriately monitor the movements and transactions of every American. History shows that governments inevitably use the power to monitor the actions of people in harmful ways. Claims that the government will protect the privacy of Americans when implementing a national identification card ring hollow."

I don't know about you -- but the prospect of being told to produce my papers evokes visions of living in the former Soviet Union and -- even now -- I have a hard time believing our Congress is seriously considering it.

 

Use the hyperlink below and join with me in sending a personalized Blast Fax message to the thirteen key Senators and the nine key House Members who will be considering this legislation.  Tell them that any National ID Card provisions must be stripped from H.R. 10 and S.2845. Tell them that no amount of security is worth turning the United States into a Police State.

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What Is Congress Saying?

In case you still don't think National ID Cards are a reality -- Here's what some Members of Congress are saying ...

 

Rep. Mary Bono (R-CA) said, "I think people are going to have to recognize that some of their conveniences are going to be gone...  I'm glad to show my identification where I need to go."
 

Rep. George Gekas (R-Pa.), chairman of the House Immigration Subcommittee, has told the press that "proposals to mandate national ID cards should not be dismissed out of hand."

 

These are REPUBLICANS  -- the folks who are suppose to take our civil liberties seriously!

 

Ron Paul in criticizing the measure said, "Congress has embraced the 9/11 Commission report uncritically since its release in July. Now Congress is rushing to write each 9/11 Commission recommendation into law before the November election."

 

Use the hyperlink below and join with me in sending a personalized Blast Fax message to the thirteen key Senators and the nine key House Members who will be considering this legislation.  Tell them that any National ID Card provisions must be stripped from H.R. 10 and S.2845. Tell them that no amount of security is worth turning the United States into a Police State.

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National ID Cards Have Several Disadvantages

Proponents of the measure say that a National ID Card is essential in the wake of 9-11 and an increased terrorist threat. But that argument is simply a red-herring.

Of the 25 nations that have been the most frequent targets of terrorists attacks, 80 percent of them have a national identification card.

Furthermore, a National ID Card tells law enforcement nothing about a person's intent.  Timothy McVeigh, the D.C. Beltway sniper and a host of other criminals and terrorists would have no problem obtaining a National ID Card.

The program will cost billions of dollars; money that could be spent on tightening border security or beefing up law enforcement.

Identity theft will literally go through the roof.  Many of us have experienced the unfortunate situation of having a credit card or a Social Security number stolen.  Imagine what would happen if someone stole your entire identity.

Is a false panacea worth giving up your civil liberties? 

 

Use the hyperlink below and join with me in sending a personalized Blast Fax message to the thirteen key Senators and the nine key House Members who will be considering this legislation.  Tell them that any National ID Card provisions must be stripped from H.R. 10 and S.2845. Tell them that no amount of security is worth turning the United States into a Police State.

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[EQAndyBuzz]

"Too many are sleeping - they will miss the wake up call."

That is a frightening thought. Imagine waking up on November 3 and finding out Kerry is the President.

[Chemist_Geek]

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

There's your precious "Constituitional enumeration."

Okay, so which provision in that particular article allows for a national ID card?

Ah, yes, the "If those exact words aren't in there, it's not authorized" scam.

Amendment 14, section 1 states that States may not "abridge the priviliges or immunities of citizens of the United States". It follows, then, that States must be capable of distinguishing between citizens and non-citizens. Section 5 states that Congress may legislate regarding this issue. Therefore, Congress may legislatively provide for citizenship documents - a.k.a. "National I.D." - if Congress deems that "appropriate". QED.

[sheltonmac]

Ah, yes! The "living, breathing document" interpretation of the Constitution. So why didn't Congress implement a national ID system when the 14th Amendment was ratified?

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

What if a moose eats my sister's ID card while I'm in the shower?

Damn, that would be series! Might have to give up your beeber to a customes agent over that one!

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

A Republican administration sees to it that we keep our individual freedoms.

A Republican (Bush) signed Campaign Finance Reform and the Patriot Act.

[Chemist_Geek]

Because they didn't think it was necessary? Because technology wasn't at a sufficiently advanced level yet? Because illegal immigrants weren't a "problem" at the time? Because foreign terrorists weren't a problem at the time? There are a whole host of possible reasons.

[Chemist_Geek]

Typical "progressive" crap. If it's not "perfect" it's not usefu(l).

Funny thing is, hundreds of millions of legitimate credit cards are daily verified around the world, using identical type of databases, and businesses have not abandoned the whole thing due to a small percentage of fraud.

As a bonus, constant checking produces a constant stream of busted criminals!

Yes, it's amusing seeing the anti-government anarchists demanding 100% efficiency from government.

The objection I have, though, to this is that the potential trouble caused by a failure (false positive or false negative) in the credit card verification system is much, much less than the potential trouble caused by a failure in a federal I.D. system.

[inquest]

Amendment 14, section 1 states that States may not "abridge the priviliges or immunities of citizens of the United States". It follows, then, that States must be capable of distinguishing between citizens and non-citizens.

Birth certificates, naturalization documents. What more do you need? Have the states been having trouble complying with this section because of inability to make this "distinction"?

Section 5 states that Congress may legislate regarding this issue.

No, it states that Congress can enforce the amendment. Enforcement means to impose consequences for failure to comply. It doesn't mean anything else.

QED.

Not even close. Stick to chemical proofs.

[Chemist_Geek]

Just run along to your so-called "Free State" where anyone and everyone can wander around concealing their identity. We'll see how much trouble is caused.

[inquest]

I figured you'd post a nonsensical reply like that after having your ignorance exposed.

[EQAndyBuzz]

"Just run along to your so-called "Free State" where anyone and everyone can wander around concealing their identity. We'll see how much trouble is caused."


"I figured you'd post a nonsensical reply like that after having your ignorance exposed."

Whatever happened to that lady in Florida who wanted her face in the drivers license photo hidden by her bhurka?

[Chemist_Geek]

After considering the trial testimony, other record evidence, briefs submitted by the parties, and oral arguments, the Court finds that Plaintiff's (Sultaana Freeman) prayer for relief must be denied.

Trial court opinion.

Of course, CNN reports that an appeal is underway.

[HomeschoolGenealogistMom]

Would it stop Democrats from voting twice? (or twenty times...)

[steve-b]

Stick to chemical proofs.

I do hope that his chemical analysis is better than his political reasoning....

Alas for Little Willie
We'll not see Willie more
For what he thought was H2O
Was H2SO4

[steve-b]

Would it stop Democrats from voting twice?

Given the certainty that, as soon as somebody proposes that the "ID Card" be required at the polls, 1)the Democrats will scream bloody murder and 2)the Republicans will bend over like the 98-pound weakling in a SuperMax cell block, why even bother with the proposal anyway?

[R. Scott]

NO!!!!!

[Doctor Stochastic]

Would it stop Democrats from voting twice?

It would make it easier to do so. Only the card need be checked, not the voter. The need only be a correspondence between the number of cards and the number of votes, not between the number of voters and the number of votes. The main difference would be that some people would feel safer.

[inquest]

I always told him to keep the sulfur trioxide in a separate location.

[aspiring.hillbilly]

Allright what is the technology that cant be forged or duplicated of today??

[azhenfud]

Well, you see it's possible to make a scannable SSI card which has a embedded digital image of the holder, plus fingerprint (thumbprint) data. If that info was accessible by read-only format from a national database (probably would require several) and the information was abled to be compared to that of the card via a card "reader" with a split screen output with the national data image displayed next to the card image, if the cardholder didn't appear to be the same persuasion as the national database entry and that within the card, one could fairly safely reason theft.