Navy:Undesirable/General Discharges for Civilian Misconduct While on Inactive Duty Reserve Status

What SECNAVINST regarding this issue was in effect at the time in question? Was this one in effect then?

We need some Pajama People to dig that up. This, however, was a 1984 SECNAV Instruction which referenced past discharge policies.

And BTW, what IS the time in question? Late seventies? Or am I confused?

The linked SECNAV Instruction specifically mentions those "who were discharged or had their discharge reviewed on or after April 20, 1971".

Kerry was not eligible for discharge until 16 December 1972.

"serious questions as to why John Kerry only received an honorable discharge through the act of then President Carter, seven years after his discharge, and had to have all of his military citations reissued, on the same day, when he became a United States Senator in 1985. "

O'Neill's comment after the ABC interview.

Breaking the law, ruining their careers, endangering the future of the armed services in which they serve, and possibly their own lives as well.

Most people would whisper it to their spouse in bed. That person would tell their best friend over a drink at the bar. That person would tell everyone they know, one of whom would tell the DrudgeReport, who would tell the entire planet!

Someone on another thread posted that Kerry was (and this in uninvestigated, and unproven) given the DIS DISCHARGE because he married a vietnamese woman while over there who turned out to be a viet cong spy. Have you heard anything about this? Or is it pure b.s.?

That sounds like an urban legend to me.

However, since Kerry refuses to sign his Form 180, ANYTHING your imagination can come up with is possible. ;-)

I think that this should be explored and that Kerry should be made to release his records regardless of the election results. If and when Bush wins, it could still be a reason to get him out of the Senate. If Kerry (God forbid) wins, then it would be a definite cause for impeachment I would think, especially the visits to Paris.

"And BTW, what IS the time in question? Late seventies? Or am I confused?"

You think YOU'RE confused?? I can't keep track of how many times Kerry received his "honorable" discharge", how many different decades he was awarded the same Silver Star, how many people awarded that particular medal OR which people awarded that particular medal in which decade!

re: SF 180

>> Not gonna happen

> I knew that. I was just stirring the pot a little.

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to his Vietnam mythology and later betrayals.

Why would anyone think he's about to answer honestly,
when he shows zero signs of being willing to answer at all?

The link to SECNAVINST 5420.174C opens a document dated 22 August 1984. How would this be relevant to Kerry's 1970 separation, his 1970s reserve status, and his 1978 discharge?

Because this particular SECNAV Instruction dealt with the reviewed of General and Undesirable Discharges issued during the Vietnam era.

QUOTE:

"The following applies to applicants who received less than fully honorable administrative discharges because of their civilian misconduct while in an inactive duty status in a reserve component and who were discharged or had their discharge reviewed on or after April 20, 1971"

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Then why does this Navy document refer to his "Honorable Discharge Certificate" and dated Feb. 16, 1978? It indicates an Honorable discharge although the DD214 hasn't been produced for viewing..... http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Honorable_Discharge_From_Reserve.pdf

His other two DD214s dated 15-12-66 and 03-01-70 are available here: http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf

Well, there was Peanut Jimmie's "Special Discharge Review Program" that he ginned up in 1977 with the intent of upgrading a lot of the discharges his supporters had received that were of a "less than honorable" nature. Certainly, if the suppositions about Mr. sKerry's original discharge are correct, he would have qualified for the review and upgrade.

And it's intersting that the 1978 date of the sKerry discharge as shown on his web site seem to fit in so well with the operative period of that program.

Then why does this Navy document refer to his "Honorable Discharge Certificate" and dated Feb. 16, 1978? It indicates an Honorable discharge although the DD214 hasn't been produced for viewing.....

Doesn't make sense, does it?

Kerry's obligated service would have been completed on 16 December 1972 so why does his Honorable Discharge carry a 1978 date?

Kerry only provides documentation for a 16 FEB 1978 Honorable Discharge.

Why the six year delay?

Most likely, Kerry had a General or Undesirable Discharge that was upgraded to Honorable Discharge in 1978.

Kerry could clear all this up by signing his Form 180.

Instead, Kerry refuses to let America know the truth about his service record.

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