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U.S. jury rules Crown Vics safe
London Free Press ^ | Oct 16, 2004 | AP

Posted on 10/16/2004 3:31:28 PM PDT by brianl703

AP 2004-10-16 02:31:46

BELLEVILLE, ILL. -- A jury in the first class-action lawsuit filed over the safety of Ford's Crown Victoria police cruisers ruled yesterday the cars are safe, but a judge must now decide if the automaker violated state consumer fraud laws. Class-action lawsuits are pending in at least 12 states over the Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, a specially built police cruiser -- made near St. Thomas -- that accounts for the majority of police cars on U.S. streets.

Since 1983, at least 15 officers in the United States have died in fiery crashes after their Crown Victorias were rear-ended -- including one in Texas last month. Ford Motor Co. contends the deaths reflect officers' risky work rather than a design flaw.

Jurors yesterday agreed the car was safe, dismissing a fraud claim filed in 2002 by the St. Clair County Sheriff's Office and the nearby Centreville police department.

"It's a terrible thing that someone has to die, but their cars are no more dangerous than other Crown Victorias on the road now," Judy Burgess, one of the jurors, told the Belleville News-Democrat.

"To have 12 folks unanimously agree that the No. 1 police vehicle in the U.S. is safe is very important and significant to Ford," company lawyer Jim Feeney said.

State law requires that the judge rule on three remaining counts: whether Ford engaged in deceptive trade practices, violated Illinois's consumer fraud laws and unjustly enriched the company by the fraud.

Feeney said he expected a ruling in about two weeks.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: crownvictoria; ford; leo
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1 posted on 10/16/2004 3:31:29 PM PDT by brianl703
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Dallas's not gonna like this. They've pretty much blamed all their problems from sheet rock/cocaine to losing the Cowboys on the Crown Vic. I think a huge settlement with Ford may have been the last hope for at least a moral victory in favor of a once great city. Now Laura Miller can only hope more strip-clubs open. Otherwise, city revenues are in the tank.

What a rambling rant that was.....

2 posted on 10/16/2004 3:39:43 PM PDT by Extremist
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To: Extremist

Yet more evidence that it is high time we shoot all of the lawyers. If the city doesn't like the crown victoria, the solution is easy...don't buy it.


3 posted on 10/16/2004 3:47:22 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: brianl703
There was a post on here last week that reported a court upholding Ford's right to refuse to sell any more Crown Victorias to Louisiana as long as Louisiana was trying to sue Ford about allegedly defective Crown Victorias.

The need for tort reform is real.

4 posted on 10/16/2004 4:04:49 PM PDT by TheMole
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To: brianl703
Class-action lawsuits are pending in at least 12 states...

So, how much are the trial lawyers going to make off of this?

5 posted on 10/16/2004 4:07:02 PM PDT by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: Extremist
Dallas's not gonna like this. They've pretty much blamed all their problems from sheet rock/cocaine to losing the Cowboys on the Crown Vic.

Actually, as you noted, Dallas mayor Laura Miller is a big part of their problem. With all their massive problems in city operations, law enforcement, and lack of property tax revenue, Miller's very first priority after being elected was to force a citywide smoking ban in restaurants down the throats of the voters. This served only to restrict dining choices and drive a lot of business out of the city. Now diners who want to enjoy a cigarette after their meal simply drive to surrounding communities, while restaurants in Dallas are left to twist in the wind. Restaurant owners are voting for Miller with their feet.

Further, the Cowboys are probably going to end up moving to Arlington primarily because of Miller's socialist whines against Jerry Jones and the team ownership in the media. Further, the area around Texas Stadium is rampant with crime and remains in a state of non-development, and Miller has continually refused to grant even a penny of tax relief to businesses that might want to come into the area and build. Why should the Cowboys play in a slum and stay in a city where the mayor uses them as her personal punching bag? The Cowboys are voting for Miller with their feet.

Miller was hoping for a massive payday from Ford because Dallas city vehicles (including police cars) average 125,000 miles before being taken out of service, where municipal vehicles in well-run cities are removed from service at 100,000 miles. This can be attributed directly to Miller's decreed "cost-cutting" measures so that she can fund her pet social programs. On any given day, 2 out of every 5 Dallas city vehicles are out of service, broken down, or being repaired. Miller's entire complaint against Ford is that their Crown Vic police cars "burst into flame" when encountering high-speed collisions from the rear. Show me ANY automobile of any size that DOESN'T burst into flame when hit from the rear by another vehicle going 90 MPH, and I'll show you an automobile made out of a giant block of ice.

Miller is an anti-business soccer mom socialist and deserves every bit of scorn heaped upon her.

6 posted on 10/16/2004 4:07:49 PM PDT by asgardshill (Got a lump of coal? Tell Mary Mapes to 'shove it' - in 2 weeks you'll have a diamond.)
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To: brianl703

Of course it is. The whole thing has been a crock from day one...a trial lawyer's wet dream.


7 posted on 10/16/2004 4:08:35 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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Scorn and approbation. The Crown Vic powertrain is friggin indestructible, even with poor maintenance. The Vic's only weakness is that it occasionally bursts into flame when struck from behind at 75+mph.

Sheesh.

8 posted on 10/16/2004 4:11:57 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Petronski

Scorn for the mayor, approbation for the Vic.


I REALLY wish I would review before hitting post.


9 posted on 10/16/2004 4:13:38 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: brianl703

Crown Vics are imported from Canada.


10 posted on 10/16/2004 4:14:22 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: ARCADIA

"Yet more evidence that it is high time we shoot all of the lawyers."

Maybe you should kidnap all of the lawyers, and then cut off their heads with small rusty knives?


11 posted on 10/16/2004 4:17:20 PM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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I did a news story on selection of police cars some years ago. The old choice was always Crown Vic vs. Chevy Caprice. The cops liked both, especially with the Caprice fitted with a Corvette engine. And both took very similar interior equipment.

Then Chevy stopped making the Caprice. Now, the new big Chevy (the Malibu?) has a completely different interior configuration, meaning that radios, video equipment, everything, has to be remanufactured or re-purchased to fit -- basically because of the fairing required on the housing of all interior components to keep them from being torn off and tossed around by an air bag deployment, which isn't unusual in a police cruiser.

That being said, the old "bursts into flames" riff seems to show up an awful lot on lawsuits about cars, doesn't it? Either cars are awfully badly built, or it plays well with a jury.

12 posted on 10/16/2004 4:21:42 PM PDT by MoralSense
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To: brianl703
Since 1983, at least 15 officers in the United States have died in fiery crashes after their Crown Victorias were rear-ended.....

Fer cryin' in my Ford....a 1983 CV and a 2003 CV are completely different cars.

13 posted on 10/16/2004 4:23:40 PM PDT by jimtorr
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Those wily Canadians! Sending us “flame-warriors” in the form of Crown Vic's to decimate our policemen! I’ll bet “suicide-jihad-warriors” are tailgating any Crown Vic with Police markings doing over 75-mph. Should Crown Vic’s only be used in “stealth” (i.e., unmarked) configuration? Or should the police thwart the Canadians by switching to used Yugo’s or even resurrected Corvairs or Pinto’s (Pinto SW’s only of course)?


14 posted on 10/16/2004 4:42:27 PM PDT by Woodworker
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Since 1983, at least 15 officers in the United States have died in fiery crashes after their Crown Victorias were rear-ended

Wow, 15 in 21 years. That's a real epidemic, especially considering how police work never involves dangerous maneuvers or locations that could increase the likelihood of collisions.

Crown Vics rule, BTW... Need to get me a used Mercury Marauder one of these days.

15 posted on 10/16/2004 4:51:55 PM PDT by Sloth ("Rather is TV's real-life Ted Baxter, without Baxter's quiet dignity." -- Ann Coulter)
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Amazing thing.

The Crown Vic, which is used by more officers than probably every other car combined, has been involved in more accidents.

Couldn't possibly be impacted by both the heavy use and the fact that officers are increasingly unwilling to actually pull the entire car out of the lanes of traffic when making a stop?
16 posted on 10/16/2004 4:52:22 PM PDT by sharktrager (Nobody deserves our hostility when they are in a time of need.)
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That police officers don't want to pull the car out of traffic lanes when making a stop is something I don't get. Is there some reason they don't want to do that?


17 posted on 10/16/2004 5:02:51 PM PDT by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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"...the Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, a specially built police cruiser"

"It's a terrible thing that someone has to die, but their cars are no more dangerous than other Crown Victorias on the road now," Judy Burgess, one of the jurors,...

I'm not sure how to take this juror's comment...

One would think that a Police Interceptor would have all kinds of reinforced crappola, to make it safer & perform better than a vanilla Crown Vic.
18 posted on 10/16/2004 5:31:05 PM PDT by stylin19a (Of all the things i have lost in my life, I miss my mind the most.)
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To: MoralSense
Now, the new big Chevy (the Malibu?)...

Agencies around here seem to favor the new Impalas. They look quite a bit smaller than the Caprices too...

19 posted on 10/16/2004 5:36:00 PM PDT by general_re (Drive offensively - the life you save may be your own.)
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To: Petronski

I believe I read somewhere that the frequency of death in these type of accidents was like .01% or something else outrageously stupid. It seems it all was just another lawyers and government extortion attempt.





20 posted on 10/16/2004 5:42:57 PM PDT by JSteff
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