[Kolokotronis]

"Maybe it's because he really beieves we are NOT at war with Islam, in other words he's rational."

Oh, I don't think we are at war with Mohammedanism, but I do think Mohammedanism is at war with us. I even think the President is rational, which is more than I can say for Kerry, et al. But I do think that to the extent that anyone thought that the Iraqis would greet us with kisses and flowers and Mustafa Adams and Abdul Jefferson would spring up out of the desert to create a new shining city on a hill were not only irrational, they were delusional. Sometimes I think many of the people around the President have a world view which ends in the suburbs of Peoria! Now maybe no one anywhere near power actually believed that stuff. Maybe the real game was to make an example of Iraq and at the same time box Syria and Iran and scare the hell out of Libya and the rest of their crowd. If so, I've no problem with that at all. But in the meantime we've tried to do the war on the cheap, with no marshaling of the homefront, economically or psychologically. And we've taken American and coalition casualties because we've chosen to fight the war on the Iraqi and foreign terrorists' terms rather than our own. Now all of that may be eminently rational, but it is also wrong.

[Valin]

"Oh, I don't think we are at war with Mohammedanism, but I do think Mohammedanism is at war with us."

We are at war with a sect(?) of Islam. It cuts across the usual Shia/Sunni divide, and looks back to a golden age (One IMO that was completly different than what they imagine)

"And we've taken American and coalition casualties because we've chosen to fight the war on the Iraqi and foreign terrorists' terms rather than our own."

How would you fight this war?

"But I do think that to the extent that anyone thought that the Iraqis would greet us with kisses and flowers and Mustafa Adams and Abdul Jefferson would spring up out of the desert to create a new shining city on a hill were not only irrational, they were delusional."


A year after the end of our war of independence it was in doubt that Adams, Jefferson..etc. would be able to make this work.
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