Posted on 10/15/2004 8:02:40 PM PDT by bin2baghdad
"President Bush tells us we're making progress in Iraq, yet his own advisers say the situation is growing worse each day. He said we could secure the peace with less than 140,000 troops, yet with 90% of active duty troops deployed overseas, the mission remains"
Also:
"90% of active duty brigades deployed overseas"
http://www.bushandthedraft.com/facts.html
(Excerpt) Read more at bushandthedraft.com ...
The truth: budgeted end-strength for the active-duty military is 1,403,000. 90% of that is 1,262,700. Is this how many active duty troops they say we have deployed overseas? Get a grip.
Yeah, and old people will lose their social security and be out on the streets, the alleys will be filled with the bodies of women who died getting illegal abortions, and there'll be regular book burnings every week. We've heard it all before, yadda, yadda, yadda.....
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What exactly would be wrong with the Draft?
A 2yr conscription into the military or a 'peace corp " stint might just educate a lot of Democrates in the reality of the real world. However, The military itself would rather have a volunteer crew to select from.
Too bad Michael Moore and Bruce Springsteen and Babbbling Streisand are too old for the draft. Maybe we could make an exception for them.
Did somebody change the pointers on the Free Republic URL?
It seems I have arrived at DU.
This article is BS.
This isn't even a news article. This is a bloody lefty web site! Where are the admins?
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Yes, and stuff like this wins elections for Democrats. They're still mentioning the draft on Rock The Vote commercials.
The draft bill had nothing but Democrat fingerprints on it: Rangel, Hollings, and several cosponsors, all Democrats. When it came to the floor, the two votes for it were Democrats running unopposed. It's all in the Congressional Record.
But then, I pointed out to a DNC volunteer that John Kerry and John Edwards voted against the prescription drug benefit, and cited the Congressional Record (notably Record Vote Numbers 457, 458, 459). Despite the record, my comment was brushed off as "Republican propaganda". Such is the nature of the enemy!
> A 2yr conscription into the military or a 'peace corp "
> stint might just educate a lot of Democrates in the
> reality of the real world.
And anyone considers themselves to be a expendable lump
of tribal protoplasm is welcome to lobby for this form
of involuntary servitude.
But you are naive to assume that the approved forms of
service would be anything other than even more liberal
indoctrination.
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The Draft Hoax of 2004 - edition 2004-10-10.22:00
Joseph Goebbels would be proud.
We have here a case of the
"Reverse Big Lie"
Not only is the "secret Bush draft" a lie,
the truth is a secret Kerry-Edwards draft.
The Kerry camp coordinators have fired up a series of scare
ads on the draft. As is usual for "progressives", accusing
their opponents of what they themselves are doing.
Kerry has accused Bush of having a secret draft plan, based
on no evidence at all. Kerry himself has been trying to
cover up his own statements. What would a President
Kerry be likely to do?
Before getting to the details, it's important to note that
this issue is not primarily about a military draft. It's
about Universal National Service (UNS). Stealing two years
from every life, then 3, and heck, why stop there ...
And National Service is less about service than about
indoctrinating the slaves by controlling the agenda of
the approved forms of service.
But make no mistake about it, if Kerry is elected, they'll
also need a draft to meet military manpower requirements,
because voluntary enlistments and re-enlistments will drop
to near zero. The National Guard is already seeing signs
that people are waiting to see who will be the next
President.
Furthermore, it will be very dangerous to be in a Kerry
military. Apart from more Mogudishu disasters, expect
the troops to be exposed to random war crimes tribunals.
The Bush Administration has done zero to move toward a
draft and does not support it.
The only bills submitted are by Democrats.
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SN00089:
The House forced a vote on HR 163 in early October,
and it was defeated by a massive 402-2 vote. Even
its own sponsor (Rangel) voted against it. Yet the
draft hoax continues. Let's look a bit deeper.
HR 163 (aka SB 89), bears the title:
"Universal National Service Act of 2003"
it includes the provision:
"...or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the
national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes."
... and for other purposes ...
This was way more than a military draft bill.
It was conscription for completely undefined and
arbitrary purposes - involuntary servitude, i.e. slavery,
doing whatever bidding the ruling class might prescribe.
Fear the ruling class that advocates mandatory national
service.
Bush has said he'd veto HR 163. Keep in mind also
that the SecDef when the draft was shut down was
Donald Rumsfeld, and Rummy has made recent comments
that his disdain for the draft has not since changed.
Kerry has said exactly nothing about HR163 specifically.
Although Kerry and Edwards are on the campaign trail
promising to oppose a "draft", they in fact support
UNS, but are hiding that. And even if they were to
oppose UNS, you already know what a Kerry promise
or position is worth.
Where have they been on this issue?
Kerry has removed pages, formerly at:
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/natservice and
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/100days/communityservice_high.html
A copy of the latter was saved from the memory hole here:
http://www.mcgath.com/kerryslavery.html
"As President, John Kerry will ensure that every
high school student in America does community
service as a requirement for graduation. . . ."
The current K+E National Service is more watered down:
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_service/
Apparently, the older position was too honest.
And Edwards? Go see:
http://www.senate.gov/~edwards/issues/educ/service.html
Under the Kerry plan, of course, we can expect
exemptions for the children of rich politicians.
The Selective Service System is already in place, and
could be reactivated in the event of some unforseen
emergency (Canada threatens to invade us :-). If Kerry
is defeated, the SSS, unneeded since Vietnam, is most
likely to remain right where it is today - dormant.
> This scare is getting to people on the college campus.
> It has to be responded to, not minimized and disregarded.
So share what I've written with them. Have them read
the legislation and check out the sponsors. Tell them
to do their own research on what Bush people have said,
and what Kerry & Co. have historically advocated. Tell
them to look at which faction is more likely to stick by
their historical positions.
Someone is lying. The only question is who.
Kerry is leading the naive into a trap. He's opened
a "hide out from the draft" shelter and invited the
kids to come in.
After it's too late, the sign will be pulled off to
reveal a new sign:
Universal National Service Processing Center
That's astonishing. I thought John Kerry was going to stop outsourcing. They could be employing US citizens to do their Bush bashing!
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If the reason for a draft is our overextended military, under this logic, how would John Kerry avoid a draft any more than George Bush would? He would have to pull all our troops out of Iraq and cut our military presence around the world ... but he would never do that. Would he?
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Active Duty Military Budgeted End Strength
FY05 1,403,000.
FY87 2,174,000.
At one time, we had 2.1 million active duty service members - all volunteers.
No draft needed or wanted.
LOL!
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Hitler would be proud! This is precisely what Nazi Germany did endocrinating the Hitler Youth!
Good Grief Charlie Brown! I doubt Kerry's base has seen this. How about all the sheep in college? If we could get this out it would sink the Democratic party fot the next 100 years!
I'm going to print a coupla hundred of these and leave them around town and sit back and see what I hear. I have 5 college campuses within a 2 hour drive. This ought to wake a few of them up.
Since I live in Sandpoint ID. it's going to be the 4th of July all over again. This is really going to get some folks worked up!
Two of my local California tv news channels showed a clip of Kerry campaigning in Wisconsin and he was explaining to the crowd how Bush is going to cause a draft.
We know this is a rumor but there are plenty of people who don't search for facts and will use any tricks their candidate hands them.
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