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To: cpforlife.org
When such a vote indicates that the Catholic politician believes that abortion is not always gravely immoral, such a politician incurs a sentence of automatic excommunication, under canons 751 and 1364, because of heresy.

If I had to defend lurch, I would couch my defense in these terms: "he DID believe it is always gravely immoral (except in self-defense of the mother...life of the mother), but he would not impose that view on others."

93 posted on 10/15/2004 8:29:21 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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112 posted on 10/15/2004 8:46:04 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (Birth is one day in the life of a person who is already nine months old.)
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To: Petronski
Your defense would miss the second part of this explanation, to wit:

Second, these Catholics are providing substantial assistance for women to obtain abortions by influencing public policy to make abortions legal, and to keep abortions legal, and to broaden access to abortion. Those who provide such substantial assistance commit a mortal sin and incur a sentence of automatic excommunication (canon 1398).

This is what I was taught and in contrast to what sinkspur has said in this thread, substantial assistance is not to be so narrowly interpreted as merely being a doctor or nurse associated with a particular procedure.

120 posted on 10/15/2004 9:03:22 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Wearing BLACK Pajamas, in honor of Hanoi John)
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To: Petronski
I would couch my defense in these terms: "he DID believe it is always gravely immoral (except in self-defense of the mother...life of the mother), but he would not impose that view on others."

Correct--but it's immaterial. His voting record incurs the latae sententiae (and if necessary, the paperwork/formal) excommunication.

It's the ACTION, not the rhetoric.

Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club will allow your representation of Lurch. Prepare hard and don't be real disappointed if you "lose" a client in a bonfire.

168 posted on 10/16/2004 2:57:10 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Petronski
If I had to defend lurch, I would couch my defense in these terms: "he DID believe it is always gravely immoral (except in self-defense of the mother...life of the mother), but he would not impose that view on others."

That's the great thing. The closing paragraph reads, "[I]f a Catholic supports a civil right to an abortion, ...he or she commits heresy,...[and] is automatically excommunicated." There are a lot more fancy words, legal and Church wise, but that's the gist of it.

188 posted on 10/16/2004 5:05:25 PM PDT by old and tired
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