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Independent Review Finds Bush Records Texas National Guard Officials Missed
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Posted on 10/15/2004 2:43:15 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Independent Review Finds Bush Records Texas National Guard Officials Missed By Matt Kelley Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Weeks after Texas National Guard officials signed an oath swearing they had turned over all of President Bush's military records, independent examiners found more than two dozen pages of previously unreleased documents about Bush. The two retired Army lawyers went through Texas files under an agreement between the Texas Guard and The Associated Press, which sued to gain access to the files. The 31 pages of documents turned over to AP Thursday night include orders for high-altitude training in 1972, less than three months before Bush abruptly quit flying as a fighter pilot.

The discovery is the latest in a series of embarrassments for Pentagon and Texas National Guard officials who have repeatedly said they found and released all of Bush's Vietnam-era military files, only to belatedly discover more records. Those discoveries - nearly 100 pages, including Bush's pay records and flight logs - have been the result of freedom of information lawsuits filed in federal and Texas courts by AP.

A Texas National Guard spokesman defended the continuing discoveries, saying Guard officials didn't find all of Bush's records because they are disorganized and in poor shape.

"These boxes are full of dirt and rat (excrement) and dead bugs. They have never been sitting in an uncontrolled climate," said Lt. Col. John Stanford. "It's a tough task to go through archives that were not set up in a way that you could easily go through them."

(Excerpt) Read more at ap.tbo.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2004electionbias; agitprop; apmediabias; bushhassers; ltbush; mediabias; militaryrecord; overlookkerryspast; tang; unlockkerrys
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To: atomicpossum

AP spun it as bad as possible for Bush, but still couldn't get much into it.


21 posted on 10/15/2004 2:55:00 PM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: Sub-Driver

If they can't dig more dirt on Bush's NG service, they are going to have to try a few more Abu Ghraib photos in the next two weeks.


22 posted on 10/15/2004 2:55:06 PM PDT by TomGuy (His VN crumbling, he says 'move on'. So now, John Kerry is running on Bob KerrEy's Senate record.)
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To: freespirited

I think the Wash. Post tried, but if he doesn't sign the 180, I don't think they can get them.


23 posted on 10/15/2004 2:56:31 PM PDT by Tom_Busch (Vote Bush/Cheney in 2004)
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To: oyez
Kerry's records are sealed because he was in Cambodia.

When Nixon was President.

24 posted on 10/15/2004 2:56:58 PM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: pabianice
Hi altitude training eh...thats scary in those planes Bush flew...."widow makers" I believe they were called.

Must have the right stuff.

25 posted on 10/15/2004 2:57:10 PM PDT by spokeshave ( "I own a timber company? That's news to me!!" ... Ya need some wood?)
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To: pieces of time
AP filed to see there under Freedom of Information. Has any media outlet or other group done the same for Kerry's records?

Yes. The Washington Post, of all people, filed an FOIA request for Kerry's records as part of their reporting on the Swift Boat Vets for Truth controversy.

In the article, they reported that a.) there were over 100 pages of records on Kerry, but b.) only six pages could be released in the absence of Kerry signing an SF-180.

And there the matter stands. Apparently, the Post and their cohorts are afraid of what the other ninety-or-so pages might tell them...

26 posted on 10/15/2004 2:57:26 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: ARROGANCE & IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: oyez

Kerry's Mil. record==LETTERS OF REPRIMAND
Master Chief ret. Larry Gehlkin | 10/15/04 | greg mcclure

Posted on 10/15/2004 2:40:06 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3

Forget the discharge, what Kerry is hiding are the letters of reprimand.
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Speaking with my friend Larry, 27 years U.S. Navy, Master Chief, The focus on the discharge is a red herring. Officers being granted gentlemens rights, they are usually asked to resign their commissions. Their discharges may be uprated with time BUT any letters of reprimand are PERMANENT! It is these letters of reprimand that he does not want any one to see. Considering his behavior after his return from Viet Nam, one can only guess at how scathing they are. SIGN the 180 form.


27 posted on 10/15/2004 2:57:58 PM PDT by TexasTaysor
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To: Sub-Driver
These boxes are full of dirt and rat (excrement)

That's not the only Rat excrement in this story.

28 posted on 10/15/2004 2:58:15 PM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Cult of Personality
Rat poop and dead bugs huh.

I have a vision of Mapes swating flys and cockraches and Rather squeezing the s**t out of little white mice.

Too funny!

29 posted on 10/15/2004 2:58:30 PM PDT by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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To: Sub-Driver; Howlin; Miss Marple; blam; Alas Babylon!; Quilla
The 31 pages of documents turned over to AP Thursday night include orders for high-altitude training in 1972, less than three months before Bush abruptly quit flying as a fighter pilot.

DING DING DING -- irrefutable proof that the RATHER docs were forgeries. Everyone knows they were, but this proves it. How could Bush be ordered to training if his flight status was taken away for disobeying orders. HuH HUH HUH?? Hello Lefties??? What is the silenece I hear.

30 posted on 10/15/2004 2:59:24 PM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: Sub-Driver
Soiled by rats?

Sort of like the CBS documnents.

31 posted on 10/15/2004 3:02:09 PM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: stylin19a
Think AP will release them all ? Or only those not favorable to The President ?

If any paragraph in those 31 pages were unfavorable to Bush it would lead every national newscast this very night.

32 posted on 10/15/2004 3:02:46 PM PDT by sinkspur ("If you disagree with me, you are a heretic. " Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: Sub-Driver

must be nothing in them since AP's headline is to infer a coverup Rather than an allegation about his service.


33 posted on 10/15/2004 3:02:55 PM PDT by Homer1
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To: Sub-Driver

Why can't they do the same for kerry's records?


34 posted on 10/15/2004 3:06:06 PM PDT by Inge C (,)
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To: Sub-Driver

I'm noticing a direct correlation between when items about Kerry's military record are brought up, something new about Bush's records appear magically.

It only goes to further collaborate that Kerry is trying to hide something by trying to change the subject.


35 posted on 10/15/2004 3:09:49 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: Sub-Driver
The newly released documents shed no new light on the most controversial periods of Bush's guard tenure.

Duh.

I'm sure Kerry will now permit some GOP lawyers to crawl through his military records to see if (by chance) all his records haven't been released.

< /holding breath >

36 posted on 10/15/2004 3:16:20 PM PDT by Earl B.
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To: pieces of time; Timesink; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; ...
Media Schadenfreude and Media Shenanigans PING

And yet the buggy whip media denies being biased.

The AntiChrist will portray himself as the Saviour too.

We already know they LIE, why should they be honest about their bias?

37 posted on 10/15/2004 3:24:20 PM PDT by weegee (Ted Kennedy, your brother defined Vietnam antiwar protesters as traitors, giving aid to Ho Chi Mihn)
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To: commish
The Alabama unit's commanders say they never saw Bush or any paperwork showing he performed drills there. A January 1973 document says Bush got a dental examination at the Alabama unit's base. ^---

This is yet another lie; evidently the AP believes statements don't count unless THEY find them.

38 posted on 10/15/2004 3:28:27 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Inge C
Why can't they do the same for kerry's records?

The ONLY reason the AP can sue under FOIA is because Bugh signed the 180 to release any and all documents concerning his service.

Kerry won't do that.

39 posted on 10/15/2004 3:29:42 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Sub-Driver

Don't you wish they'd applied similar effort to finding the Rose Law Firm billing records? Or authenticating Vince Foster's "suicide" note and paramedic photos? Or Ron Brown's autopsy files?


40 posted on 10/15/2004 3:31:30 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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