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Global Warming Bombshell: A prime piece of evidence ... turns out to be artifact of poor math
Technology Review ^ | October 15, 2004 | Richard Muller

Posted on 10/15/2004 12:52:24 AM PDT by Steve Schulin

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To: Steve Schulin
published by University of Massachusetts geoscientist Michael Mann and colleagues.

It's all a misunderstanding !!

What they MEANT to say was:
It's a fact that global warming is caused by Mann."

21 posted on 10/15/2004 4:25:42 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: MonroeDNA

Located here:

http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/trcres.html


22 posted on 10/15/2004 4:26:41 AM PDT by MonroeDNA (In Islam, a woman can be married at any age even when she is a newly born baby.)
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To: clee1
Junk science. Garbage in, garbage out.

Junk science. Garbage in, research grants out.

23 posted on 10/15/2004 4:30:01 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Heinz-Kerry: "The common man doesn't look at me as some rich witch.")
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To: dennisw
Thanks for showing the Mann et al. hockey stick. McIntyre and McKitrick tried to get the Mann et al. method to show other than hockey stick, but it could not do so. Here's their Figure 2, which compares the effect of using conventional principal component analysis (top graph) versus using the Mann et al. method (bottom graph) in one experiment. The authors report that Mann et al. method produced the same distinctive hockey-stick-shaped graph for all ten experiments they performed.

Fig. 2 from McIntyre and McKitrick's final submission to Nature

Here are some other recent criticisms of the hockey stick which apply not just to Mann et al., but to other multiproxy studies too:

* In the body of the UN IPCC 2001 science working group assessment report, it was noted that if our best understanding of glacier retreat evidence is on track, the warming trend started earlier than depicted by the hockey stick. This would spread out the recent warming currently restricted to the 20th century part of the curve. Here's the frank statement in the body of the TAR: "...the timing of the onset of glacier retreat implies that a significant global warming is likely to have started not later than the mid-19th century. This conflicts with the Jones et al. (2001) global land instrumental temperature data (Figure 2.1), and the combined hemispheric and global land and marine data (Figure 2.7), where clear warming is not seen until the beginning of the 20th century. This conclusion also conflicts with some (but not all) of the palaeo-temperature reconstructions in Figure 2.21, Section 2.3 , where clear warming, e.g., in the Mann et al. (1999) Northern Hemisphere series, starts at about the same time as in the Jones et al. (2001) data. These discrepancies are currently unexplained."

* In his 2004 paper, Craig Loehle showed that the multiproxy method inherently tends to produce flatter shape due to smearing. Each proxy record has dating error. By combining the proxies, the multiproxy approach inherently tends to smear variability out of the record [Ref: Loehle. Using Historical Climate Data to Evaluate Climate Trends: Issues of Statistical Inference. Energy & Environment, 15(1):1-10, 2004]. This was a meaningful challenge to the flat shape of the curve, quite independent from the McIntyre and McKitrick point about the Mann et al. PCA technique.

* In their Science paper released this month, von Storch et al. showed that the multiproxy study error ranges do not include a significant uncertainty. This was a meaningful challenge to the gray area of the curve. [Ref: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1096109v1 -- von Storch et al. Reconstructing Past Climate from Noisy Data. ScienceExpress, October 1, 2004]

24 posted on 10/15/2004 4:31:00 AM PDT by Steve Schulin (Cheap electricity gives your average Joe a life better than kings used to enjoy)
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To: Steve Schulin

There's more evidence of WMDs in Iraq then there is of Global Warming.


25 posted on 10/15/2004 4:32:13 AM PDT by Semper Paratus (Michael)
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To: PatrickHenry

Maybe it's a horse hockey stick.


26 posted on 10/15/2004 5:29:58 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Steve Schulin
Similar thread here
27 posted on 10/15/2004 5:36:32 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Anyone who votes for the john / john ticket is crazy.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Is the faulty computer program availabile on the web or elsewhere?

The obvious study is to take their program and systematically vary the length of the time period over which the normalization is performed, and compare the resultant predictions.

Somehow, it would nor surprise me to find that they
'accidentally' (of course) happened to choose the one
time period for the normalization procedure which would
maximize the appearance of global warming in the late 20th
century and beyond.


28 posted on 10/15/2004 6:34:12 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Steve Schulin

Big bump!


29 posted on 10/15/2004 7:01:00 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: Former Proud Canadian
I NEVER believed in "global warming". Thirty years ago the hue and cry was "global cooling".

Yup! I remember those dire predictions. Don't forget we would all be starving by 2010 as well.

30 posted on 10/15/2004 7:07:09 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Steve Schulin

Global Warming bump


31 posted on 10/15/2004 7:28:31 AM PDT by jonno (We are NOT a democracy - though we are democratic. We ARE a constitutional republic.)
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To: Steve Schulin

Great post, thanks


32 posted on 10/15/2004 7:50:19 AM PDT by Gothmog (The 2004 election won't be about what one did in the military, but on how one would use it)
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To: Steve Schulin

A "Save this in your Global Warming 'Word' File Later" BUMP!


33 posted on 10/15/2004 2:40:20 PM PDT by Pagey (Hillary has been eerily silent lately, just like when she ran the War Room in the West Wing in 98,99)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Yup! I remember those dire predictions. Don't forget we would all be starving by 2010 as well.

I'm always on the lookout for those ubiquitous late '60's Volvos sporting "End Global Cooling!" bumperstickers.....

34 posted on 10/15/2004 2:57:52 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: kb2614
"now the correct answer is that nobody really knows"

Translation: We need more funding.

35 posted on 10/15/2004 2:59:33 PM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Steve Schulin

American Hockey enthusiasts were hoping for better news, like an inverted "hockey stick". Cooler makes for better outdoor practice.


36 posted on 10/15/2004 3:11:00 PM PDT by American Sovereignty Defender (I'm voting FOR Bush - before voting AGAINST Kerry)
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To: grey_whiskers
The fortran code Mann et al 1998 used to prepare the tree ring data for PCA is available at:

ftp://holocene.evsc.virginia.edu/pub/MBH98/TREE/ITRDB/NOAMER/pca-noamer.f

As for the PCA itself, Mann et al just say it's conventional, without mentioning any particular software.

37 posted on 10/16/2004 1:30:11 PM PDT by Steve Schulin (Cheap electricity gives your average Joe a life better than kings used to enjoy)
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To: Steve Schulin
The fortran code Mann et al 1998 used to prepare the tree ring data for PCA is available at:

ftp://holocene.evsc.virginia.edu/pub/MBH98/TREE/ITRDB/NOAMER/pca-noamer.f

As for the PCA itself, Mann et al just say it's conventional, without mentioning any particular software.

G'rrr. It figures. Well, at least I can download the code and make it run twice as fast ;-)

38 posted on 10/16/2004 8:35:52 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Steve Schulin; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
39 posted on 10/17/2004 4:48:47 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend; Steve Schulin

Interesting read, thanks for the ping.

The graphics and references were a real plus.

Cheers,

knews hound


40 posted on 10/17/2004 7:31:12 PM PDT by knews_hound (Out of the NIC ,into the Router, out to the Cloud....Nothing but 'Net)
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