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Gun Recoil Claims Life of 12 Year Old Boy
The Lexington Leader ^ | October 14, 2004

Posted on 10/14/2004 5:23:48 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR

Lee County Sheriff Chief Deputy Rodney Meyer leads the investigation of the death Marcus Wall. The investigation continues into the accident.

- A 12-year-old San Antonio boy died Saturday afternoon south of Giddings when he was struck on the top of the head by the recoil of a Ruger .454 gun he was firing. The boy, identified by the Lee County Sheriff’s Office as Marcus Wall, was pronounced dead at the scene by Justice of the Peace Paul Fischer.

Sheriff’s Deputy Rodney Meyer stated that the victim and his father, Marc Wall, were with friends dove hunting on the Zoch place off County Road 233. Deputy Meyer reported that when the hunters took a break for lunch, they began shooting a variety of guns owned within the group. The Ruger .454 Casull was purportedly owned by Joe Ramsey of Austin.

According to the Sheriff’s report, when Marcus asked to shoot the Ruger, Ramsey told the young boy the gun was too large for him to shoot. However, allegedly it was later “ OK’ed for him [Marcus] to shoot the gun”. The report did not identify who gave permission for the child to shoot, though Ramsey stood by the boy when he fired.

From the Sheriff’s account of the incident, Marcus was instructed how to hold and shoot the gun. “Mr. Ramsey assisted the victim [when taking aim] by holding his hand above the victim’s [hands] for the recoil,” explained Deputy Meyer.

When the gun was fired, the gun recoiled upward, hitting Marcus in the head causing head trauma. The gun’s owner, Ramsey, received injury to his fingers but was not transported for medical attention.

The Sheriff’s Office 911 dispatch received two calls reporting the incident, though only the second caller could identify their location. Deputy Mike York advised dispatch that he was in the area and had been flagged down and directed to the location. Upon arrival at the scene, Deputy York radioed to dispatch to cancel the call for an ambulance and to send out a Justice of the Peace.

The recoil velocity of the Ruger .454 has been noted for its strength for some time. In a May 2001 article in Shooting Times, author Dick Metcalf reported that “...when the .454 Casull version of the Super Redhawk was introduced in 1999, Ruger spokesmen candidly acknowledged they did not expect the new chambering to be shot a lot for casual plinking or for steel-target competition. Its recoil was simply too severe.”

Deputy Meyer stated that the case is still under investigation.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; boygun; recoil; ruger454casull; thezochplace
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To: WildTurkey

Right...mgh...


101 posted on 10/15/2004 10:36:00 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets

I now see the "or" in your post. You put in both calcs.


102 posted on 10/15/2004 10:55:22 AM PDT by WildTurkey
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To: Nov3
That is ridiculous. nobody could be expected to believe he would be killed.

It's called criminal negligence.

103 posted on 10/15/2004 10:59:26 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: Myrddin
If I was really in a frivolous frame of mind, I would purchase the 4" S&W 500 Magnum

Ironically that is the one I want. But with heavy bullets and slower speeds.

104 posted on 10/15/2004 11:00:55 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: Centurion2000
The owner/operator of my indoor range in San Diego was threatened by a criminal who was known to be in possession of a Class III vest. He was content to carry a S&W 629 4" with 240 PMC JHP. He is a competent CCW instructor. The 4" 629 is my typical carry when hiking around the hills in Pocatello. We have mountain lions and black bears in the area. Heck, we have a mountain lion killing pets in yards just 1/4 mile from my house.

The .500 S&W was purchased with the intention of adding a scope and competing in silhouette tournaments. I would equip it with a Holosight II for hunting. A couple of locals have the Hunter model with the Holosight II and report that it holds zero just fine with the heaviest factory Corbon loads.

105 posted on 10/15/2004 11:29:34 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Charles Martel
I suspected that a link to the videos of those crazy Arabs at Accurate Reloading would end up in this thread. :-)

I showed those video clips to some Arab friends of mine. They were rolling on the floor laughing. FYI, the guys in the videos are from Oman (based on their accents).

I still can't help laughing everytime I watch them.

106 posted on 10/15/2004 11:44:43 AM PDT by killjoy (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain)
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To: Centurion2000

It is only criminally negligent homocide if a normal person would believe it would result in death or serious injury. This was a one in a million occurence.


107 posted on 10/15/2004 11:53:13 AM PDT by Nov3 (They knifed babies, They raped girls, They forced children to drink their own urine)
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To: xsrdx
A 12 year old is plenty big enough to handle a .454, with some instruction.

Amen I was handling a 4" barreled 44 with full house loads at 10 and I was small.

108 posted on 10/15/2004 11:55:56 AM PDT by Nov3 (They knifed babies, They raped girls, They forced children to drink their own urine)
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To: yarddog
The .44 mag does not bother me but I definitely think it is about all I want to shoot.

Same goes for me.. 44 mag is about as big as I want to go..
While I can "handle" it, it is at my limit.. recoil, muzzle lift, etc... are such that firing a 3 shot group is impossible..
It's strictly one shot at a time..

( My favorite is 1911A1 .45 cal. )

109 posted on 10/18/2004 2:22:20 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Joe 6-pack
My ex once shot my .50AE Desert Eagle. Once.

I ended up selling mine. It took too long for the stress fractures on my thumb and wrist on my shooting hand to heal.

110 posted on 10/18/2004 2:26:00 AM PDT by asgardshill (Got a lump of coal? Tell Mary Mapes to 'shove it' - in 2 weeks you'll have a diamond.)
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To: asgardshill

Last time I was at the range, I forced myself to shoot all 6 magnum buchshot rounds in rapid succession through my Winchester 12ga Defender. Even though I mentally thought through the whole procedure beforehand, firing all 6 from the shoulder in about 10 secs nearly beat me to death. I was pulling that thing into the pocket on my shoulder for all I was worth before each shot but by the end I still hurt.

It's good to know what to expect if you ever have to put a big caliber gun to use. You can't have it distract you.


111 posted on 10/18/2004 2:36:35 AM PDT by Advil
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To: Advil
Last time I was at the range, I forced myself to shoot all 6 magnum buchshot rounds in rapid succession through my Winchester 12ga Defender.

Wow. 5 plain deer slugs through my Mossberg 500 were bad enough. That 6th one would have been the cherry on top of the sundae for me.

It's good to know what to expect if you ever have to put a big caliber gun to use. You can't have it distract you.

True. If I ever get stalked by an engine block or somebody wearing a triple-thickness Kevlar vest with trauma plates, I might think about picking up another Desert Eagle .50. Until then, I'll just muddle through with my 1911A1.

112 posted on 10/18/2004 2:41:11 AM PDT by asgardshill (Got a lump of coal? Tell Mary Mapes to 'shove it' - in 2 weeks you'll have a diamond.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I have always loaded 44Mag w/Unique.I use it for .45ACP,.40S&W,and 9mm as well.I also load 45/70 Gov't.I use 3031 for this cartridge.


113 posted on 10/18/2004 8:18:13 AM PDT by bandleader
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