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To: Taxman
Check out http://www.widerquist.com/usbig/links.html . These links and brief descriptions are all about establishing the concept of BIG or basic income guarantee worldwide, if you need the definition please do a simple search, where the FairTax.org is listed as an advocate of a BIG in the USA to help establish their tax policy. Essentially, the advocates of a BIG, FairTax.org included, believe that all persons should have a level of income guaranteed regardless of the productivity of that individual, that is, they should share at the outset equally in all forms of production. Therefore, they are indeed communists.

Your comment about the liberals not wanting the so-called fairtax because it is regressive brings me back to one of the central themes of right thinking people who may be against the NRST and it is very simple. Do you or any sane person really think that the income tax will be totally abandoned? The fact is, we will have both, either as a Federal/State tax structure or at a minimum, a NRST at the federal level and the income tax and sales taxes at the state and local levels. The liberals are always looking for a way to get more of my and your money so they can do good and give it to people who will never contribute to our economic prosperity. That is the FairTax in a nutshell. Bad idea, period.
75 posted on 10/14/2004 9:30:22 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Final Authority; ancient_geezer
"Essentially, the advocates of a BIG, FairTax.org included, believe that all persons should have a level of income guaranteed regardless of the productivity of that individual, that is, they should share at the outset equally in all forms of production. Therefore, they are indeed communists.

Essentially, this statement of yours is bullshit! No one affiliated with AFFT promotes the notion that "all persons should have a level of income guaranteed regardless of the productivity of that individual, that is, they should share at the outset equally in all forms of production."

The "prebate" concept is a means to keep the necessities of life untaxed and instill a measure of progressivity into the Fair Tax in an effort to keep the demagogues at bay.

The prebate is not a BIG! And AFFT does not support such a cockamamie concept! And I for damn sure don't!

76 posted on 10/14/2004 10:19:24 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Final Authority
Do you or any sane person really think that the income tax will be totally abandoned?

Yes, I do.

The fact is, we will have both,. . .

Fact? Fact! Yours is more defeatist pessimism, based on fear and mistrust of government. We are the government! And not all CongressCritters are enamored of the income tax. We can do this, but not if you and others keep nay-saying. Help us vote out the bad guys and vote in the good guys!

. . . either as a Federal/State tax structure or at a minimum, a NRST at the federal level and the income tax and sales taxes at the state and local levels.

The Fair Tax is about replacing the federal income tax structure with a National Retail Sales Tax. What the states do is of no concern to AFFT. HST, what your state does should concern you. If your state wishes to keep an income tax, and you don't like it, movethehellout!

The liberals are always looking for a way to get more of my and your money so they can do good and give it to people who will never contribute to our economic prosperity. That is the FairTax in a nutshell.

I agree that LIEberals are always looking for a way to get more money to "do good." The Fair Tax is not about anything more than replacing the income tax with a National Retail Sales Tax and abolishing the IRS.

Oh, the Fair Tax is about FReedom and economic growth, too. And Fair Trade. And bringing jobs back to America. And treating people with equality at the economic bar. Stuff like that.

77 posted on 10/14/2004 10:33:24 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Final Authority

"Essentially, the advocates of a BIG, FairTax.org included, believe that all persons should have a level of income guaranteed regardless of the productivity of that individual, that is, they should share at the outset equally in all forms of production. Therefore, they are indeed communists.

Let me see if I've got this right, the NRST tax rate is 23% of expenditure, the NRST FCA is 23% of expenditure at povertyline, and some EU socialist considers that to be a livable income guarantee.

ROTFLM(_|_)O!!!

80 posted on 10/14/2004 11:53:16 PM PDT by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: Final Authority

These BIG people don't under stand the FairTax. The "prebate" is a tax rebate, and that's it.


82 posted on 10/14/2004 11:58:05 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: Final Authority

"...one of the central themes of right thinking people who may be against the NRST and it is very simple. Do you or any sane person really think that the income tax will be totally abandoned? The fact is, we will have both, either as a Federal/State tax structure or at a minimum, a NRST at the federal level and the income tax and sales taxes at the state and local levels."

Sounds like that is your only objection. If you were convinced that the income tax would be eliminated, you would support the FairTax, right?


93 posted on 10/15/2004 9:14:17 AM PDT by phil_will1
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