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No Ladies’ Man (John Kerry has a lame pick-up line)
National Review Online ^ | October 14, 2004 | Carrie Lukas

Posted on 10/14/2004 9:34:14 AM PDT by No Surrender Monkey

Desperate men often resort to clichéd lines when trying to snare women. Senator John Kerry must be desperate, because he dragged out the tired, misleading statistic about the so-called wage gap during last night's debate; namely, that women only earn 76 cents for each man's dollar.

This factoid comes from Department of Labor data on the average wage of a full-time working woman and the average wage of a full-time working man. And, yes, if you look at those numbers you will find that the average woman earns about three quarters of the income of the average man.

But that statistic ignores many relevant factors that affect a worker's take-home pay. For starters, it doesn't adjust for number of years worked. On average, women spend about a decade out of the workforce to care for their families. It should come as no surprise to Senator Kerry that a 35-year-old woman reentering the workforce after ten years off earns less than a man or woman who worked continuously during that time.

The wage-gap statistic also fails to consider educational attainment. Today, women earn more than half of all bachelor's and master's degrees, but it wasn't always that way. Older women in the workforce tend to have less education than their male peers, which affected their career path, their salaries, and ultimately Department of Labor data.

Women and men also often have different priorities when assessing employment opportunities. One survey of working women found that for nearly three quarters a flexible schedule was "very important" when considering a job. This means that many women are willing to trade more money for more flexibility or time off.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gwb2004; kerry; thirddebate; wagegap; womensvote
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To: BushisTheMan
Being a doctor alone makes you in the richest 1%, with or without competition. I wonder if your women clients know what an anti-woman person you are?

There is a vast difference in medical income that depends on your specialty and your business situation.

Those who go into competive specialties make a lot of money. Those who go into specialties where everyone and his cousin flock in are a dime a dozen and the market treats them that way.

In regards to the business aspect, starting my own corporation in competion with other corporations doubled my income.

In regards to being "anti-woman", there goes the Victim Card again folks.

Poor Little Miss Victim can't possibly conceive that the individuals on this thread are chalanging her, not because she is a woman, but because her arguments are flawed.

That is exactly like the (insert minority here) individual who does drugs, drops out of school and then whines that he makes less money just because he or she is (insert minority here) and America is discriminating against (insert minority here).

121 posted on 10/27/2004 12:59:33 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius

My my a little passive-aggressive response there.

So, I now understand your hatred of women has to do with the machismo complex.


122 posted on 10/27/2004 1:23:25 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: Polybius

So you are a doctor that is not a doctor?

You really seem to like the "victim card" phrase. You seem to think it applies to all women, regardless of their circumstances. A woman states the statistics that says women's salaries are lower than men's and you immediately state they are playing the victim card.

Yes, Cuba, where the women stayed home and raised the children while the REAL MEN went out and earned the living. I understand fully now.



123 posted on 10/27/2004 1:27:28 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: Polybius

In regards to being "anti-woman", there goes the Victim Card again folks.

Folks? Who do you think is listen to all your crap?


124 posted on 10/27/2004 1:28:02 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan; rlmorel
National statistics still show that women get less than men even when women who leave the work force are removed from the stats.

Post a link that shows those "National statistics" corrected for seniority.

As I have noted on this thread, statistic will prove that bald men (older with more seniority) make higher average salaries than men with acne (young, inexperienced men with a lot less seniority).

If a man and a woman start the same job in 1994 and the woman takes five years off to do the Mommy Track and then returns to work, by 2004 the man will have 10 years of seniority and the woman will have 5 years of seniority.

The worker with greater seniority will have a larger salary even though they are doing "the same job".

Comparing only gender is as useless as comparing the salaries of bald men with the salaries of men with acne.

125 posted on 10/27/2004 1:34:10 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: HighWheeler

Nothing to so with smartness, I think men are more agressive about demanding raises.


126 posted on 10/27/2004 1:39:27 PM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: BushisTheMan
I read somewhere that if you take equally educated and equally experienced men and women, the woman's salary will equal 98% of the men only if she is childless.
127 posted on 10/27/2004 1:46:22 PM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: Polybius

You post it. The research might do you some good.

Now all I'm seeing from you is the same "blah blah blah"

The bald versus acne is an old and stupid argument and you probably know it. No one, not even the women you think are so stupid, think that you shouldn't be paid more based on your experience.

There are studies that compare women who haven't taken any time off with men who haven't taken any time off. Started work the same year with the same degrees. Stats prove the woman are making less. You can't claim discrimination if they are working at different companies. But it exists.

Do the research, you might learn something.


128 posted on 10/27/2004 1:46:39 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

I agree. Women trust the male bosses when they tell them that there wasn't much money for raises this year, blah blah and blah.

Plus the boss understands that the male is the head of the household but somehow doesn't get that sometimes the woman is also the head of the household. She's less inclined to complain when there are fewer high paying jobs for woman to change to.


129 posted on 10/27/2004 1:48:58 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

98% versus 100%

Are you agreeing that they are unequal?


130 posted on 10/27/2004 1:50:42 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan

I am saying the difference (2%) is statistically insignificant.


131 posted on 10/27/2004 2:02:43 PM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: No Surrender Monkey

My wife makes more than me!


132 posted on 10/27/2004 2:04:31 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (democrap=hypocrite)
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To: BushisTheMan
You post it. The research might do you some good.

Translation: BushisTheMan can't back up her arguments with facts.

133 posted on 10/27/2004 2:10:57 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

I look at it as a possible 2% raise.


134 posted on 10/27/2004 2:11:22 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: Polybius

Even if I had facts, the blind woman haters would not see them.


135 posted on 10/27/2004 2:12:01 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan
Women are paid less than men for performing the SAME job.

Not in my field, we're not.
136 posted on 10/27/2004 2:12:30 PM PDT by Xenalyte (And then I says, "Tell me I'm wrong!" and he says, "I can't, baby, 'cause you're NOT!")
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To: BushisTheMan

And where does Newsweek get its salary information?


137 posted on 10/27/2004 2:25:12 PM PDT by Xenalyte (And then I says, "Tell me I'm wrong!" and he says, "I can't, baby, 'cause you're NOT!")
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To: Xenalyte
Not in my field, we're not.

Defeating barbarian hordes????

138 posted on 10/27/2004 2:26:49 PM PDT by Shryke (Rumpologist)
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To: Xenalyte

How do you know? Are you a partner in that law firm?


139 posted on 10/27/2004 2:30:26 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan

No one here hates blind women. That I know of.


140 posted on 10/27/2004 2:32:06 PM PDT by Xenalyte (And then I says, "Tell me I'm wrong!" and he says, "I can't, baby, 'cause you're NOT!")
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