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1 posted on 10/13/2004 9:16:37 AM PDT by xsysmgr
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ping!


2 posted on 10/13/2004 9:17:40 AM PDT by blackeagle
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Just another reason that Kerry is wrong for America.


3 posted on 10/13/2004 9:18:10 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (If John Kerry wins I guess I'll see ya in the Bread Lines)
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Kerry has seem to forgotten how much Heintz out sources. Big Surprise There!


4 posted on 10/13/2004 9:23:56 AM PDT by Piquaboy (John F-ng Kerry was a traitor to his fellow soldiers.)
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Last week I heard Rush Limbaugh said that according to his studies, number of in-sourcing job out numbers the out-sourcing one. I even wrote to Rush asking him to give the data to the President. Sick of Kerry's fals accusations.


6 posted on 10/13/2004 9:29:00 AM PDT by RedRepublic
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As usual, Bruce Bartlet is full of globaloney.

Infosys to hire 4,500 more techies: (In India)

7 posted on 10/13/2004 9:29:53 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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Tell it to the people I actually know who were fired so their jobs could be shipped to India.


8 posted on 10/13/2004 9:30:27 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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This deserves an outsourcing bump! Great post, xsysmgr.


9 posted on 10/13/2004 9:33:11 AM PDT by writer33 (Try this link: http://www.whiskeycreekpress.com/books/electivedecisions.shtml)
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Bruce Bartlett is an idiot.

Maybe NRO should follow Reuters and start locating it's analysts offshore.


11 posted on 10/13/2004 9:34:29 AM PDT by MTOrlando
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In August, economist Charles Schultze, chairman of the CEA under President Carter, looked at the number of jobs lost to outsourcing.

What Schultze (and by extension Bartlett) miss is the unseen. While they have their own data to show that jobs aren't being lost to outsourcing, they just have to look at the 40k a month job growth over the past 4 years (100k below what's needed to keep up with workforce growth) to see what's not being done, and that's job growth.
17 posted on 10/13/2004 10:00:09 AM PDT by lelio
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Sadly, the libs have framed the issue already and the President cannot afford to say tonight that outsourcing is not a problem.


19 posted on 10/13/2004 10:03:16 AM PDT by dubyain04jebin08and12
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There has been a significant loss of high tech jobs due to outsourcing, specifically programming and technical support positions.

The article argues that dollars invested in India eventually return here, I think it's a very weak argument.

A programmer that made $85k before outsourcing really took off is apt to make $65k now -- if they can find a job. The fact that many can't find jobs for months at a time while laid off is a total drain on the economy. To spin this as cost savings which return to the US is ludicrous.

Both parties are wrong on this issue, but the Republicans are especially wrong by acting as if it's not a problem at all. Denial of the problem is hurting Republicans.

What's even worse is that there has been in increase in insourcing of manufacturing jobs, but the people in States like Ohio obviously are still peeved about the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs over the past decades.

So, while the real controversy here is service related outsourcing, the blue collars are taking this issue to heart and siding against Bush.

In a race that may come down to as little as 1/2 of a percentage point, every high tech vote is needed. It seems the Republicans don't think they need them. We'll see on election day.


21 posted on 10/13/2004 10:09:49 AM PDT by 1stFreedom
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22 posted on 10/13/2004 10:22:26 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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The premise of the article is flawed. The question is about more than the number of jobs -- it's also about whether or not it's important at some level to maintain some level of domestic manufacturing capability. For example, does the demise of domestic manufacturing industry X represent a national security concern?

At some point, one has to wonder if it is a uniformly good thing that most clothing is imported. Or that much of our manufactured merchandise is made in China (a likely military rival).

I'm not really taking a strong stand either way -- I'm just suggesting that Mr. Bartlett's take on outsourcing is incomplete, and therefore possibly misleading.

29 posted on 10/13/2004 10:36:45 AM PDT by r9etb
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Said Kerry, “You can’t stop all outsourcing. … You can’t.”

In other words... outsourcing is a nuisance?
31 posted on 10/13/2004 10:43:59 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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I know of a senior citizen whose job was outsourced:


I Know I Can't Vote In Your Election But..

Message:

To All American Voters,

I am a senior citizen. During the Clinton Administration I had an extremely good and well paying job. I took numerous vacations and had several vacation homes. Since President Bush took office, I have watched my entire life change for the worse.

I lost my job.

I lost my two sons in that terrible Iraqi War.

I lost my homes.

I lost my health insurance.

As a matter of fact I lost virtually everything and became homeless. Adding insult to injury, when the authorities found me living like an animal, instead of helping me, they arrested me. I will do anything that Senator Kerry wants to insure that a Democrat is back in the White House come next year. Bush has to go.

I just thought you would like to know how one senior citizen views the Bush Administration.

Thank you for taking time to read my letter.

Sincerely,

Saddam Hussein

37 posted on 10/13/2004 10:54:26 AM PDT by Bon mots
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Tell it to the former employees of C&K Components who don't yet know their plants are closing as the company moves to China.


40 posted on 10/13/2004 11:03:07 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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I knew when Lou Dobbs suddenly decided to dwell on this and other "desperate" situation in this country, as if Bush came into office and ordered his staff to immediately start destroying citizens lives.

Of course not a peep of criticism from Lou during the Clinton years, about any bubble, Enron accounting, outsourcing, trade,.....

He has been intellectually dishonest when reporting for the last 3 years, (remember his "countdown to Enron indictments") that started within a month of the news. All the while KNOWING these legal issues are difficult, and that these CEO's have enormous legal teams, to delay.

The populist Lou, will change back to being serious during a Kerry/UN/Soros ticket.
42 posted on 10/13/2004 11:14:46 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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"Thus, on balance, the U.S. economy gains $1.12 to $1.14 for every $1 invested in outsourcing."

THE BOTTOM LINE.

None of the rest really matters. This type of trade benefits everybody, no matter what the gloomanddoomsayers have said, and have been saying for at least thirty years now.

They were probably saying the same thing when Columbus sailed, too.


46 posted on 10/13/2004 12:05:24 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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exactly as I suspected.
51 posted on 10/13/2004 1:11:12 PM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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The consequences of outsourcing technical jobs are wide-ranging.

First off, many laid-off engineers and other technical people have *not* been able to replace their income. Some see that as an opportunity for sneering - go ahead. But financially, when families have one or two laid-off workers who get new jobs at substantially *less* income, the effect ripples throughout the economy.

How? People forclose on their mortgages. Women who weren't working go back to work (count in social costs of latchkey children; unsupervised teenagers getting into trouble, etc.) Family income and thus spending drop, or consumer debt goes up (adding to foreclosures & bankruptcies.) Medical insurance is lost - resulting in more debt, and long-term consequences to health for the whole family (i.e. greater costs down the road.)

Then consider other consequences. Enrollment in engineering & computer science programs has dropped over the past 2 years by half in many major engineering programs. Less US engineering students means several things: more foreign engineering students (i.e. more security risks.) Less enrollment in these programs means eventually some will be closed.

Less technically educated people means that our society will *lack* a critical mass of math/science literate people. IMO this is a critical *national defense* issue. You simply cannot ramp up "production" of math/science literate people the way you do a cheap Chinese manufacturing company.

So those who poo-poo outsourcing consequences can fiddle while Rome burns - for awhile, at least, until the barbarians show up at the gate with other ideas.

71 posted on 10/13/2004 7:44:47 PM PDT by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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