Posted on 10/13/2004 9:11:11 AM PDT by t_skoz
Given what I had written about them, I had no right to expect my lunch companions to be friendly. But apart from one fraught moment (of which more later), the spokesmen for the international music industry were perfectly amicable.
I had written several columns and editorials arguing that the internet had deprived the record companies of their purpose, that the bullying of teenagers who downloaded free music smacked of desperation and that the industry's only hope of survival was finding a new business model.
Determined to convince me that I was wrong were Jay Berman, chairman of the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, John Kennedy, the entertainment lawyer and music executive who takes over leadership of the IFPI in January, and Barney Wragg of Universal Music International.
As we nibbled on sandwiches and take-away sushi at the London headquarters of the IFPI, I told its leaders what I thought their problem was. In the days when music was recorded on vinyl, cassette tape or compact disc, the record companies performed an indispensable service: manufacturing products and distributing them.
Now that consumers could get perfect copies of recordings over the internet, artists could reach their public directly. There was no need for an intermediary. If the music companies did not exist, would anyone think of inventing them?
Yes, my lunch companions insisted. Someone still had to discover and market stars. It had proved hard for novice performers to build careers on the internet without the aid of record companies. Mr. Kennedy said he had feared more artists would attempt to make their names over the web. "But careers are still made in the physical market place. The idea that we would have no role at all hasn't happened."
All right. So most artists still needed a music company to get started. But how could companies get consumers to pay for their music when millions of teenagers, and even their parents, saw nothing wrong with downloading it free of charge?
The IFPI's own figures showed how widespread internet piracy was. In France, 36 percent of people aged between 15 and 19 obtained music illegally. In the UK, 7.4 million internet users had downloaded music without paying. In Germany, the figure was 7.3 million.
I told the IFPI people that I fully accepted the music companies' moral and legal right to protect their copyright. What I contested was their ability to do so. With 800 million illegal music tracks on the web, how could the music business make a dent?
The industry's answer has been to sue the miscreants. As we spoke, the IFPI was preparing to launch 459 legal actions against European music pirates. I observed that this was not many, given how many pirates there were. Also, did not chasing youngsters through the courts make the industry look vindictive? It was at this point that my hitherto amiable hosts sucked hard on their teeth as if struggling to control their tempers.
"Look at how long it has taken us to plan these proceedings," Mr. Kennedy finally said, when he had settled back in his chair. "We are the nicest litigators in the world." The industry only pursued the most egregious offenders - the "major uploaders", who copied and distributed hundreds of files - and even then, it did so only after they ignored requests to desist.
Oh yes? What about the 12-year old American girl who was forced to hand over $2,000? "Could I point out to you that that particular 12-year old had a credit card, a broadband connection and thousands of illegal files?" Mr. Berman said.
Mr. Berman said the industry realized it could not wipe out all illegal downloading, just as it had failed to eliminate physical copying of cassettes and compact discs. What it wanted to get across was that downloading without paying was illegal and that there were lawful alternatives.
Was it not an indictment of the industry that it had taken an outsider, Steve Jobs, to create iTunes, the best-known of those legal alternatives? Mr. Wragg said that music companies were not best-placed to be retailers. Individual music companies' websites had not been successful, because they contained only that company's labels. People preferred to browse through a website that contained many companies' artists, just as they could in a record store.
I pointed out that in spite of the success of iTuunes and other legal sites, music sales were still falling. The best that the IFPI could say about the first half of 2004, was that they were falling more slowly. Didn't the industry have to come up with new ways of making money, such as promoting artists' concerts in return for a percentage of the profits?
Mr. Wragg said companies were increasingly doing so, but he added that the internet was in its infancy. New ways of doing business were still emerging. For example, South Koreans with personal weblogs wanted to offer a list of songs that visitors to their sites could listen to - and were prepared to pay a subscription to music companies to get them. (It takes all sorts.)
Mr. Wragg added that broadband providers used to imply in their advertising that the ability to download music illegally was one of the perks of the service. Broadband prices had now fallen, however, and providers, looking for new sources of revenues themselves, were asking music companies for the right to market legal music sites to their subscribers.
Did our 90-minute chat convince me? Partly. The industry certainly realizes that it was caught napping by the internet. It is hoping that legal downloading will become popular enough to sustain a profitable industry, even if revenues remain sluggish. Music executives will continue to search for new ways of pursuing those who threaten their profits. That will not make them any more popular, but, for all my lunch companions' civility, I do not think popularity is what they are after.
michael.skapinker@ft.com
In July, I had the pleasure of interviewing my rock & roll hero, Scott Morgan. He's been in the music industry since 1964. One of the questions I was sure to ask him was about the internet, mp3's, and file sharing. That segment of the interview is below in my comment.
INTERVIEW WITH SCOTT MORGAN
FRIDAY JULY 9TH - ANN ARBOR, MICHIGAN
FOR AMERICAN RUSE RECORDS
ARR-
At this stage of your career
you said youve been doing this since
1961 you started playing guitar
What do you think about the music business? I mean, the state of rock & roll, or whatever you want to call it
A little sad right now Id say. What are your thoughts?
SM-
I keep hearing the quotes about record sales being down $20 billion a year or something ridiculous
For it to be down $20 billion a year, means that it had to be up really high, like $60 billion, or I dont know what it was, but... theyre selling a lot of records. Theyre making a lot of money. But, I think the problem is, theyre not really trying to make good records, theyre trying to make records thatll sell. I think thats the whole problem.
ARR-
Have you got the solution? Wheres the magic bullet?
SM-
After a while, I think people are just going to get tired of paying money for crap. Theyre going to want, come on you know! Dont just give me some cooked up in the studio, expensive, crappy can of Campbells soup or something! Come up with something new, something good. Something with some imagination, something with some soul, some heart in it, something you believe in. Whatever.
ARR-
When do you think this whole trend
SM-
Its not just the record labels, its the whole thing. Its the radio, and MTV, and corporate media, and corporate agencies. Its just a big mafia of music business.
ARR-
I dont understand, I guess, why things are the way they are.
SM-
Well, because for one thing, the people that run the business arent necessarily the people that love the music. At all levels. Lets say youre a journalist. You might not be able to make money as a journalist writing about what you like, you might have to write about whatever they tell you to write about. If youre a DJ, youre not picking those records, youre not playing the records that you play in your car, or at home, youre playing what youre told to play. And I guess if youre in A&R at a record label, youre putting out the records that the suits approve of. So the people that really love the music arent making the decisions, and thats a bad development in the music business.
ARR-
That leads me to another question
what do you think about the internet, and I guess not necessarily specifically MP3s but the ability for any band anywhere to start advertising their music and getting exposure. What do you think about that?
SM-
Its great.
ARR-
Do you have any problems with file sharing, of MP3s?
SM-
No.
ARR-
You dont have a problem when you go to Napster and look up your songs?
SM-
No. As a matter of fact we put our stuff on Napster.
ARR-
Im the kind of guy that when I buy a record, I want the whole package.
SM-
Exactly. This is the Alanis Morissette theory. And it all holds up, and everybody knows its true in the music business, that she makes a record for her corporate record label, shes going to get a get a dollar for every copy. OK? Fine, thats all fine, thats cool. But if she does a concert somewhere, shes going to make a lot of money, hundreds of thousands of dollars, and sell maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars of her merch. And its all her money. So, to her, and I think the Grateful Dead will look at it the same way, and a lot of other bands, its really to their advantage to have people know their music, even if they get it for free, because theyre going to come see the band, theyre going to be fans.
ARR-
What do you think of people taping shows?
SM-
Fine, I just want a tape.
ARR-
Obviously not for resale.
SM-
No, no. Were talking about sharing, file swapping, that sort of thing. Its just like if you made me a cassette, whats illegal about that? If you made a cassette of your favorite music, or I did the same for you, I dont get it
why should that be illegal? Its just stupid. It doesnt make any sense!
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Good interview, and it's humbling to know someone who's actually in the music industry itself agrees with the way I see the music industry as a whole, albeit from an outsider's point of view, but I've been keenly aware of the changes and manifestations within the industry from a disc jockey point of view as well as a music producer point of view.
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Many of these artists are currently available on vinyl LPs. Sales are quite good, even at $20-30 a pop.
I'm sure this is what you've been looking and longing for for your sound system! Make any cd (or mp3) sound like it's on a scratched or warped or dusty vinyl record!
http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/vinyl/
In the days when music was recorded on vinyl, cassette tape or compact disc, the record companies performed an indispensable service: manufacturing products and distributing them.Now that consumers could get perfect copies of recordings over the internet, artists could reach their public directly. There was no need for an intermediary. If the music companies did not exist, would anyone think of inventing them?
Ah but this business model assumes that there is no monopoly from Big Media controlling just which bands and performers are seen on tv, heard in movies and radio, and given "listening booth" display in stores. There is still a lot of money being paid to expose these bands.
Payola on radio has been illegal in America since the 1960s (although it stretches back to the earliest days of radio and existed in other areas of the music industry before that, including the sheet music trade and songs sung from the stage in vaudeville). Paying for better placement in a store is NOT a crime (just look at Coke and Pepsi's deal with grocery stores). Even the placement of songs in tv shows and ads were exempted from the payola scandals.
Add to this Clear Channel's monopoly over the civic venues in most major cities and "the beast" will get a cut of your advertising, ticket sales, concession sales, etc.
I don't mean to single out Clear Channel (I know that they have a ticket franchise); Viacom owns MTV and the second largest share of radio stations (Infinity Broadcasting).
Warner Brothers' record division recently splintered off from the rest of the company (in the 1990s they swallowed up a piece of many of the "indie" labels out there).
An established artist who will no longer get radio airplay for his new material (like Prince or the Rolling Stones) does not need to be on a major label. They have the touring infrastructure, fan base, etc. to continue under their own momentum.
I don't know that another Iron Maiden could come into existence through constant touring and no radio airplay. The band lists on tours are too controlled by industry types. I hear that the 2 bands that toured with the Sex Pistols in 1997 had to pay the band several thousand for every show they played; since WB was behind at least one of the acts, they might have felt the money was well justified. Certainly the bands (Gravity Kills and some other crap pseudo industrial pop band) were not there because of talent or fan familiarity with their music.
When you can preserve the entertainment you really enjoy, you don't have to keep going out night after night to see a live performance (play, concert, vaudeville) or even a movie at the cinema. Also older performance that outshine the new era can live on (which makes it tougher to find an audience base).
Then again, today's entertainers make far more money for far less continued effort than a century ago.
Someone still had to discover and market stars. It had proved hard for novice performers to build careers on the internet without the aid of record companies. Mr. Kennedy said he had feared more artists would attempt to make their names over the web. "But careers are still made in the physical market place. The idea that we would have no role at all hasn't happened."
There are plenty of "stars" who have been overlooked in this industry for a decade or two. Bands that have and continue to influence other bands. "Grunge" was the last movement to see rock artists bubble up from clubs and small labels to national prominence (although the door was quickly closed on genuine acts making it into label rosters).
The Beatles would be rejected by today's labels. Heck, they were rejected by labels numerous times in their early days. Today, they would be rejected BECAUSE they had material out under several labels. The labels want COMPLETE ownership of an artist's back catalog and the only way that happens is if the band has NO backcatalog (or in the case of the White Stripes no binding contract with the label that formerly released them).
We are still in the era of Monkees-like marketing where the audience will be introduced to a new (possibly fabricated) band rather than exposed to a band with a growing fan base.
Can't take home the live show (at best you can take home a pale reduction of the audio or video of the live show).
The Hellacopters are the perfect example of a band that has material released for almost every label in the rock n roll world. They have made names for the smallest labels out there!
They've done Psychout Records, White Jazz Records, Freak Scene, Planet of Noise, Toy's Factory, Man's Ruin, Bad Afro, Estrus, Sub Pop, Safety Pin, Munster Recordings, Flapping Jet, Au-Go-Go, Bang! Records, Fandango, 007 Records, Polar, Universal, Led Recordings, Sweet Nothing Records, Gearhead Records, Liquor & Poker, Frank Records, Rocketdog Records, Anyway Records, Buthcer's Hook, Nomad Records, Wild Kingdom, People Like You Records, Razzia Records, and Birdnest Records.
They have over 50 releases on these labels!!!
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