Posted on 10/13/2004 6:57:59 AM PDT by dead
A SAUDI militant accused of financing the September 11 hijackings is among a group of al-Qaeda suspects being held in secret by the CIA, it emerged yesterday. Mustafa al-Hawsawi is said to have told agents how al-Qaeda funds its operations.
Human rights campaigners named the 36-year-old computer expert as one of 11 “ghost prisoners” held at secret detention centres around the world. President Bush said that he has not been told where these suspects are. Human Rights Watch, which named the 11, said that the Red Cross had not been allowed to see them and their families had not been told that they were alive. Some have been held for more than three years.
The US-based campaign group claimed that some had been tortured into giving evidence used by the White House in the run-up to the war in Iraq to make the case that Saddam Hussein had links with al-Qaeda. But the group claimed that the CIA had now admitted that some detainees lied under pressure. The CIA and the Pentagon refused to comment.
Reed Brody, special counsel with Human Rights Watch, said that by refusing to admit the detentions, the US had violated international law and the Geneva Convention. “The US demeans itself when it adopts the philosophy that the ends justify the means in the fight against terror,” he said.
These 11 are said to include some of Osama bin Laden’s most trusted lieutenants, and al-Hawsawi allegedly knows the names of militants funded by al-Qaeda.
He was reportedly arrested in Pakistan in March last year and sent to a secret interrogation camp in Afghanistan.
Rather than claim an intelligence coup, the CIA has kept “ghost prisoners” secret but claims that their evidence has helped to foil terrorist attacks, including some in Britain.
Al-Hawsawi was said to have been arrested with Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, alleged mastermind of the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. Al-Hawsawi is also said to have given details of British militants recruited as would-be suicide bombers, whom he helped to finance.
They included Zacarias Moussaoui, the South Bank University student in London who is awaiting trial in the US for his alleged role in September 11. Another is said to be Ibn al-Shaikh al-Libi, who ran al-Qaeda’s biggest training camp in Afghanistan. Foreign recruits were sent for weapons and explosives training at the Khalden camp.
Al-Libi was reportedly seized in December 2001 while fleeing the fighting in the Tora Bora mountains, and is among the handful who knew where bin Laden fled to as US-led forces closed in on the al- Qaeda leader’s hideout.
Al-Qaeda’s operational commander, Abu Zubayda, a Palestinian arrested in Pakistan in March 2002, is also said to be a detainee. He was said to be a possible successor to bin Laden and was the architect of attacks after September 11.
GENEVA RULES
Article 71: Prisoners of war shall be allowed to send and receive letters and cards
Article 72: Prisoners shall be allowed to receive parcels of foodstuffs, clothing, medical supplies and religious, educational or recreational items including books, musical instruments and sports outfits
Article 126 The Red Cross shall have permission to visit all places where prisoners are held. They shall be able to interview the prisoners . . . . Visits may not be prohibited except for reasons of imperative military necessity
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
Around here, we call that the "Gina Dance." (long i in gina)
Mary - those are some Abu Gharib prisoners vacationing in Disney World.
Why no outcry over how the Geneva Convention was violated when Al Qaeda used hijacked civilian planes as missiles?
I'm not seeing a source here. I mean one that says how it knows.
They are not prisoners of war.
Not even according to the Geneva Convention.
Yeah, Sure....I have 7 more tied to the trees in my horse pasture, and 3 more under the house in the crawl space......
Cool...if I am ever being held as a POW, I think I'll request a pipe organ and use the pipes to fashion a MacGuyver-esque escape machine!
Call it by it's full name: The International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement.
Geneva rules also say that they must be uniformed members of a country's military.""
What exactly if the UNIFORM of the terrorist? Looks the same as the garments of the average Arab......
Hardly what I could call a uniform.
Soglasno!
Geneva rules also say that they must be uniformed members of a country's military.""
What exactly if the UNIFORM of the terrorist? Looks the same as the garments of the average Arab......
Hardly what I could call a uniform.
Yeah, Sure....I have 7 more tied to the trees in my horse pasture, and 3 more under the house in the crawl space......
Gotcha. I had never seen that before even though I've worked around gays much of my life. How abnormal they are. Brrrr.
Yeah, and all that. But the problem is not the Geneva Convention... the problem is what are we doing to their self-esteem? The panties-on-the head scarred them for life. /so
All's fair in love and war. They started it, we should finish it. Thanks, bye, have a nice day.
~ Yob tvoyu maht! ~
Oh,oh (raises hand like Arnold Horshack), I know what that means!
Vwe govorete po-rooskee?
Right. 100% Right.
If it were possible, you would be more than 100% right about this.
Since alQueda is NOT A SIGNATORY TO THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS AND THEY DO NOT ABIDE BY IT, they are not awarded and rewarded with ANY of the benefits that come from being such a signatory.
Thank you for your point by point demonstration that (yet again, for newbies) AlQ members are specifically EXCLUDED FROM BEING AFFORDED THE PROTECTIONS OF THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS. This is one of the very few documents and treaties that I can not take issue with, and it clearly does NOT apply to AlQ.
That being said, I hope that the location of the 'missing AQ members' is under thousands of tons of ToraBora rubble.
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