October Surprise? Be Careful!

Vanit | CatoRenasic

[CatoRenasci]

Agree wholeheartedly. I remember plenty of RIFs in the Army in the '70s after we left 'Nam.

You're absolutely correct that the ore worth mining is the antiwar activities while holding a commission.

[epow]

I'm not suggesting this is how Kerry was involuntarily separated, only that it is an honorable possiblity that must be eliminated before anyone makes a big deal of his discharge

I agree. The Swifties have already been partially neutralized because when they first went public they made a few accusations that couldn't be substantiated to the satisfaction of the MSM. I don't doubt that those accusations are true, but the MSM has managed to throw enough doubt on them that many voters now probably dismiss all the Swifty's allegations as partisan political mudslinging.

Just one major accusation concerning his military record that could be prove false would totally destroy the Swifty's credibility on their other accusations, and make Kerry appear to be the innocent victim of a politically motivated hoax. If that happens say hello to President Kerry.

[kabar]

See my post #36. You don't receive a DD214 when being transferred from the Inactive Reserves into the Standby Reserves. You receive a DD214 when being released from active duty. Kerry received one DD214 in 1970 upon release froma active duty and one in Dec 1966 when he accepted a commission as as Ensign and being discharged as an OCUE2 on active duty.

Personally, I received my DD-214 when I was released from active duty in 1972. I received my HD in 1978 and there was no DD214.

[rj45mis]

"He can clear it all up by signing 180"

The MSM, in all their objectivity in search of the truth, should have been pounding this drum relentlessly for the past several months. However, they have been far too busy reporting on other urgent matters such as Bush's NG duty.

[dubyain04jebin08and12]

Kerry is a traitor.

[stownsley]

Agreed, general discharges and OTHs for involuntary separations, from AD, in the Army, are the rule; but not necessarily during the 70s drawdown, from standby reserve status, or in the Navy. This is why I'd like to track down the regs that were in effect at the time.

To see about the hypothesized 1972 DD214, I called the Navy's FOIA manager this morning, and she told me (a) there wouldn't have been a DD214 because he was released from inactive reserve status in 1972, and (b) discharge papers are exempt from FOIA due to privacy concerns, including any info about discharge characterization. Weird, but okay.

However, the question remains: what is that 1978 memo all about? Why does it exist?

[lepton]

If this really was a non-issue for Kerry, he would have released the full information ages ago when it would have saved him from that tumble towards the end of August.

Assuming it's the only thing to be hiding.