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Posted on 10/12/2004 8:58:00 PM PDT by nwctwx
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When this is all over, I'd love to see this declassified for reading.
Yes, Quix, I much agree on your favored destination!
Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus.
I said it was a delicate decision because it has so many potential results. Putting the decision to show before some kind of governmental group for approval is not something I'd support under the constitution. I think that ABC realizes the gravity of the potential, not only for influencing the election, but for the security of our country and for ONCE, does not want to jeopardize either. And in the long run, ABC is darn'd if they do and darn'd if they don't.
Thank you so much for posting that, all4one. It makes much sense.
Me too!
I also wish this would be out in the MSM, so people would know how hard our homeland security and LE folks, under the direction of GWB, have been working.
Do you all remember that little town in Italy that was spontaneously combusting? Even 'exorcists' were brought in to stop the fires. There's an very strange update to the story:
"MYSTERIOUS FIRES IN THE MESSINESE: NEW ONES REOPEN CASE
(AGI) - Messina, 21 October - The arrival of experts from the Region and from Civil Protection is expected in Canneto di Caronia, the small town on the Tyrrhenian coast of the Province of Messina, where new phenomena have revived worries of people who from January to April were forced to leave their houses due to spontaneous combustions that remain mysterious.
Over the last days the residents have Canneto have reported to the Carabinieri that there have been spontaneous holes appearing in eight water pipes in three different houses. The items have been impounded and Carabinieri are on site, as happened in the months of the strange fires that happened mainly in furniture, household equipment and electric items although there was a total lack of current.
The piercing of tubes, said the expert chosen by the people of Caronia, Franco Valenti, is a phenomenon easily explicable in terms of a cathode current that, not finding an outlet via an electric item, heads towards the water pipes thus causing an effect called the partridge eye." Caronia spokesman, Nino Pezzino, prefers at the moment not to make statements before the arrival of the experts."
http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?doc=200410211348-1093-RT1-CRO-0-NF11&page=0&id=agionline-eng.oggitalia
(The water pipes)
Do di do do, do di do do, do di do do, do di do do...............
Just happy to be able to add to the general brightness of your day...
The following release was surely intended to prepare the target audience.
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/10/28/pandemic.shtml
Enjoy!
sub6
I can name that Twilight Zone tune in...4 notes. :-)
IIRC, the "Gang of Eight" already has to constitutionally sign off on all major intel decisions as they have oversight powers.
If there is significant violence on Election Day, it is possible adjustments (reschedulings) may have to be done in a way not contemplated under the constitution (voting occurred during the Civil War and the constitution did not foresee the postponement or rescheduling of elections).
9/11 was on a primary election day in NYC and they had to be postponed. But it was a local matter. It is an open question what will happen next week on a national basis, if something happens. Our system delegates most decisions regarding the elections to the states. This creates problems. Florida 2000 was all about how to delegate Florida electors as the constitution explicitly delegates that power to the states. The Supreme Court overturned because the Florida Supreme Court was in effect making up election law as they went. If they had set forth a coherent and legally sound way of counting votes across Florida, the Supreme Court would have had no basis to intervene. (Though months after the election it was determined that Bush would have won either way the votes were "counted".)
Tommy Franks after his retirement all but said CONUS use of WMD will result in some form of martial law. Some bio scenarios require a type of national lockdown.
If would be a good insurance policy to set this precedent for major Homeland Security decisions (if it is being done already - - to expand this practice as a precedent). If Kerry/Edwards is elected, and a nuke goes off early next year, I want them consulting congressional leadership before they declare martial law in all or a portion of the country. The congress has been negligent in addressing these continuity issues. They need to step up to the plate. The constitution did not envision the unrestrained power of the executive.
Every President has to inform the Gang of Eight of major intel decisions in a timely manner. (Speaker of the House, House Minority Leader, Senate Majority Leader, Senate Minority Leader, and the Chairs and Vice Chairs of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees).
Also important as Speaker is next in line of succession after the VP and President Pro-Tempore of the Senate is fourth. In "continuity of government" issues (which this is), the legislative branch under the constitution needs to be on board from the start or we risk the repeat of Truman being left out in the cold as VP, and when FDR died, he then learned about the bomb and had little time to get his bearings.
If it is Hillary Clinton who takes the oath of office in 2009, and she has to declare states of emergency because of that nukes scenario, you may have different feelings about the balance of power between the executive and legislative branches.
If the fourth plane had made it to DC as planned, it was scheduled deliberately to hit while congress was in session. Most would have been dead (I was on the phone with one of the offices that morning).
If the Congress had been hit and most perished, and the President had survived (Pentagon flight was looking for the White House but was flying into the morning sun and could not locate the target, so they went for the secondary), he would have been faced with no quorum in the House for several months.
The constitution does not allow the President to declare war or spend money or raise armies without congress. He would have had to assume dictatorial powers (at least temporarily). We may never know what else was going on that day. There may have been very good reasons why the President was forced to scramble across the country - - like the threat called in that morning that "Angel is next" (Secret Service codeword for Air Force One)
9/11 was carefully planned as an initial decapitation strike with secondary (anthrax in congress) and tertiary strikes (NYC and DC Oct/Nov 2001 nuclear threats) in the pipeline.
This has been carefully planned.
LOL. Its either that or someone has been playing with their tesla toy they got for Christmas.
Thanks sub6. You sure put a smile on my face.
Thanks for posting an upadate on that story. What a curious event. The water pipes strikes again....
My initial comments were not about balance of power, it was between freedom of the press and censorship. I have little to dispute over a cataclysmic assault targeting national leadership. However, I do have a great faith in the American people that if things get out of balance, the people would insure that they eventually get back into balance, one way or another.
If ABC doesn't put it out when the terrorists want it released, the internet will be brimming with copies to circumvent their partisan censorship.
See, that is part of the strangeness of this whole thing. Sahab Production Committee is a valid, verified propaganda element of AQ who has in the past only distributed video's to Al-Jazera. This is the FIRST time it has been delivered directly to an American outlet. With an American narrating it, it is clearly targeting American/English speaking audiances. So why hasn't it been given to Al-Jaz or the internet?????? Only the shadow knows. Theres nothing stopping them from doing so.
Don't worry TMers, it was only a short circuit at first glance.
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Blast hits Pakistan luxury hotel(Marriot)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3963243.stm ^ | 28-10-04
Posted on 10/28/2004 1:35:53 PM EDT by sukhoi-30mki
Last Updated: Thursday, 28 October, 2004, 17:19 GMT 18:19 UK
Blast hits Pakistan luxury hotel
A powerful explosion has hit the Marriott Hotel in the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, causing an unknown number of casualties. BBC correspondent Zaffar Abbas reports a scene of real devastation around the city centre building, one of only two five-star hotels in the city.
Glass and other debris are littering the street outside and police have cordoned off the area.
There has been no official word on the cause of the explosion.
Our correspondent says the authorities have suggested that the blast may have been caused by an electrical short-circuit, but other investigators are trying to determine if it is a bomb blast.
Police said the explosion occurred at around 2135 local time (1735 GMT).
Blood could be seen on the ground and at least one injured man was carried out of the building on a stretcher, Reuters news agency reports.
The Marriott is one of the most popular hotels in Islamabad for foreign media and business people.
A bomb attack on the Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia, in August last year killed 12 people.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1260230/posts?page=2
"the people would insure that they eventually get back into balance, one way or another"
Agreed. Dictatorships by their nature are brittle and vulnerable when it comes to succession/legitimacy issues.
Democracies are highly resilient as they are dependent on laws, not individuals.
We'll make it through this.
They won't.
Perhaps there's another answer...
sub6
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