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Florida Amendments / Election 2004 Discussion Thread
FreeRepublic.com ^ | Oct. 12, 2004 Columbus Day | NonValueAdded

Posted on 10/12/2004 7:21:29 PM PDT by NonValueAdded

This is a thread to consolidate all of the commentary on the Florida message board concerning the Constitutional Amendments up for ratification on November 2nd. Please keep this thread focused on the amendments but feel free to start other discussion threads. Help us all make informed decisions on election day!


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: amendments; decision2004; discussion; florida; florida2004
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To: dfdemar

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41 posted on 10/25/2004 6:06:07 AM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (God Bless America!)
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To: NonValueAdded
Trial lawyers can easily figure out the processes and procedures to get amendments on the ballot (have you ever read the Florida Rules of Civil Procedure, trial lawyers' "bible" governing all sorts of time periods and procedures (there's even a rule governing "enlarging" time)). The only constitutional initiatives likely to get snarled up by Amendment 2 are those that are truly grassroots initiatives.

The bottom line: Amendment 2 is the brainchild of the Legislature to limit citizens' ability to initiate constitutional change over the Legislature's head.

Consequently, I'm against Amendment 2.
42 posted on 10/25/2004 6:14:07 PM PDT by The Great Yazoo (JFK: He's a real nowhere man, Sitting in his nowhereland, Making all his nowhere plans, For nobody)
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To: NonValueAdded

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43 posted on 10/26/2004 6:48:56 PM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (God Bless America!)
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To: PatriotGirl827

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44 posted on 10/27/2004 6:00:45 PM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (God Bless America!)
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To: NonValueAdded

Please keep in mind just because you disagree with a practice (ambulance chasing) doesn't mean this amendment addresses the problem! Sanctions against lawyers who bring frivolous lawsuits or seek overinflated damages is better than punishing those representing truly injured individuals at substantial costs to the lawyers. Representing a client in a major medical action will cost the attorney hundreds of thousands of dollars, and there is always a change of loss, even when representing truly injured individuals. More importantly, the volume of true ambulance chasers bring smaller, less than $250,000 suits...this will not deter them at all!!! I am a corporate defense attorney...I speak from experience. This amendment does not solve the problem, and could negatively impact the rights of the injured.


45 posted on 10/29/2004 10:05:07 AM PDT by melbur (Coming from a corporate defense attorney...Amendment 3 does not address the problem!)
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To: ConservativeLawyer

Our physicians are getting attacked from both ends. The government controls the amount in which doctors get paid.(which is being cut every year)

The insurance companies are increasing the malpractice premiums, and trial lawyers are swarming to attack them any way they can.

Government controls are not ideal, but doctors have been dealing with it for quite some time.
Something must be done to give the doctors a break.


46 posted on 10/29/2004 3:25:28 PM PDT by TBM96
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To: NonValueAdded

I respect your posts and opinions, NVA, but I still think it's prudent and fair to make information available to the public regarding medical institutions or the 'high priests' that keep them afloat. From my point of view, a potential patient who takes the time to research his/her caregiver will also have the intellect to determine whether or not the record was tarnished with nuisance or neglect. Since judges don't seem to be able to make JUDGEMENTS on so many issues (not the least of which is frivolous and what is relevant), who else is going to decide where to take your body for repairs ? We have more options in choosing a BBQ grill by logging on to epinions.com or reading Consumer Report than we do with whom to trust our life. And on #8..........I'm sorry but the BPR is pretty lenient on real offenders as it is now. If I see a definite pattern or trend develop against one particular physician, I can wager serious money that it is a bonafide M.O. for this individual and I want to know about it so I can run as fast as I can from his/her office or O.R. suite. I was in the medical field for over 33 years and I'm voting YES on both #'s 7 and 8.


47 posted on 10/29/2004 5:35:41 PM PDT by SirVaysa ("Let me be the kind of person my dog thinks I am" !!)
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To: SirVaysa; melbur

Thank you very much for your contributions to the discussion. It is too late to change my vote since it is already cast so I can help out on election day. :) But perhaps others will consider your input and explore this further.


48 posted on 10/29/2004 5:54:45 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Kerry: I wholeheartedly disagree with you beyond expression)
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To: SirVaysa; melbur; NonValueAdded

It really doesn't matter since both 7 & 8 will pass, but I can't see how anyone (aside from trial lawyers) can support this.

Amendment 7 would end the practice of peer review, and physicians would no longer report their mistakes.

Amendment 8 will force physicians to settle every case that is brought against them. It will deter any young physicians from coming into the state. The trial attorneys set it up so that out of court settlements don't count as strikes against the doctor. Hence, no physicians in his right mind is going to risk a strike if it means losing his lincense. Instead, he/she will settle every malpractice suit against him out of court to avoid a "strike." This will drive up the cost of malpractice insurance, and decrease the number of physicians and the quality of care for Floridians.

As for 3, trial attorney fees are already capped in the state. Amendment 3 simply lowers the cap at the high end judgments, preventing the trial lawyers from "hitting the lottery" with their $20 million judgments. Amendment 3 makes sure that those who are truly injured get to keep the majority of the settlement, and it will prevent trial lawyers from filing frivolous suits.


49 posted on 10/30/2004 1:44:42 PM PDT by MedNole
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To: The Great Yazoo; NonValueAdded
VOTESMARTFLORIDA.ORG -- http://www.votesmartflorida.org/voterguide.asp

For each amendment, take a look at proponents and opponents.

For example, info on Amendment 2:

Sponsor: Florida Legislature

Proponents: VoteSmartFlorida.org, which is composed of the Florida Chamber of Commerce, Florida Farm Bureau, Florida Student Association, Florida Retail Association, AAA, and more than 60 organizations statewide

Opponents: Hands Off Florida, which is composed of the Common Cause Florida; ACLU; Ballot Initiative Strategy Center; Citizens in Charge; Florida ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) and more than 15 organizations

H'mmmm . . .
50 posted on 10/31/2004 9:46:12 PM PST by cyn (Prayers always for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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To: All

YES ON #4....


51 posted on 10/31/2004 9:49:03 PM PST by Bushite
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To: cyn; NonValueAdded
Ordinarily, you would be right. There is, however, the law of unintended consequences. While Amendment 2 intends to restrict special interests' placing amendments on the ballot, I believe the consequences of Amendment 2 is to kill grassroots efforts.

Also, if you'll look at the list of proponents, you'll quickly see that "grassroots" doesn't describe them. Not a single one of those groups would have a problem complying with timing and procedures required by Amendment 2, no matter how harebrained the proposal.

The bottom line for me is that Amendment 2 is sponsored by the Florida Legislature. It is aimed at making citizen initiative more difficult. I believe the real conservative position on amendments to limit the rights of citizens (no matter who supports and who opposes), is a firm but polite NO!
52 posted on 11/01/2004 4:05:18 AM PST by The Great Yazoo (JFK: He's a real nowhere man, Sitting in his nowhereland, Making all his nowhere plans, For nobody)
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To: The Great Yazoo; yuleeyahoo; tutstar

Hi, GY -- thanks for your input on that. It's a tough call, indeed.

Does anyone have any thing on 1st dca judges? All I can find is 'retain all'... I've not been here long enough to know any major problem cases, I guess, and my random case search didn't help.


53 posted on 11/01/2004 5:15:45 AM PST by cyn (Prayers always for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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To: Dale 1

Here's a special thread for amendments. Someone had great foresight in starting this, for which I am grateful!

Good luck when you get to the judges :o) !


54 posted on 11/01/2004 6:38:56 PM PST by cyn (Prayers always for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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To: All

SUPPORT THE DOCS, VOTE YES ON 3 !!!!!!!!!
NO ON 7 & 8 !!!!!!


55 posted on 11/02/2004 6:21:46 AM PST by MedNole
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To: NonValueAdded

MANY THANKS FOR YOUR VOTER GUIDE!!!

I didn't want to fooled by tricky wording


56 posted on 11/02/2004 7:54:16 AM PST by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: dennisw

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57 posted on 11/02/2004 7:54:30 AM PST by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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58 posted on 11/02/2004 7:54:34 AM PST by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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59 posted on 11/02/2004 7:54:37 AM PST by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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60 posted on 11/02/2004 7:54:41 AM PST by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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