... did Kerry receive a less than honorable discharge in 1978 and find ... upgraded in 2001?

I think if you go back and read all six parts of what Danny has had to say, you'll see that the discharge is but a tiny fraction.

> I think if you go back and read all six parts of what
> Danny has had to say, you'll see that the discharge
> is but a tiny fraction.

Agreed, but this was posted as a separate article, and
I see a lot of people breathlessly repeating the same
stand-alone accusation on other sites.

Readers need to know that although there's no harm in
raising the question, it is risky to assume the answer.

It's quite "impeachable," because it is reporting the false rumor that the honorable discharge didn't come until 2001. That is UNTRUE. The honorable discharge came in 1978.

i am a newbie...what does bttt mean?

The only way to receive a Dishonorable Discharge is as the result of conviction by a General Courts Martial. Officers DO NOT receive discharges, only enlisted receive a discharge. The equivalent of a Dishonorable Discharge for an officer is Dismissal from the service. Again, this can only be given as the result of conviction by a General Courts Martial.

What Kerry did receive is a DD Form 214, Record of Service, when he separated from the Navy. On that form is a statement of the character of service for the member. That statement contains a statement of whether or not the service was honorable.

----- Kerry's Military Record
Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore...Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended!
This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect.
There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser- tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted.
His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.
This will blow up in his face before October 15th.
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves.
Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY on 3 Jan. 1970 after only 3 years and 18 days of military service, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have expired July 1, 1972.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."
On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainbridge, Maryland.
Where are Kerry's Performance Records for his 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?
Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?
On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive
On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.
Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War.
1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath about fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.
Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC, USN, Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where All investigators are US Navy SEALs" [ _http://www.authentiseal.org/_ (http://www.authentiseal.org/) ]

----- Kerry's Military Record
Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore...Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended!
This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect.
There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser- tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted.
His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.
This will blow up in his face before October 15th.
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves.
Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY on 3 Jan. 1970 after only 3 years and 18 days of military service, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have expired July 1, 1972.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."
On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainbridge, Maryland.
Where are Kerry's Performance Records for his 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?
Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?
On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive
On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.
Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War.
1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath about fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.
Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC, USN, Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where All investigators are US Navy SEALs" [ _http://www.authentiseal.org/_ (http://www.authentiseal.org/) ]

"1--Helped form the VVAW and served on it's Executive Board with known Communist sympathizers."

Kerry IS a known Communist Sympathizer.

It means Back To The Top...It's a way of getting the thread back to the top of the list of threads when you don't have anything to post but want others to be able to see it. Another way of doing it is BUMP which means Bookmark Under My Preferences but also serves the purpose of a BTTT

There is no way that I believe Kerry was in the Navy for 12 years given his vituperation after 1970. He must have been discharge or whatever in 1972. That would be the six years that everyone owed the Services back then. Whatever discharge (or whatyoumaycallit) was then upgraded after Carter issued an order to let discharges be upgraded and deserters let back in 1977.

How do you go about obtaining a DD Form 214 for Kerry?

This will blow up in his face before October 15th

What evidence do you have to support this?

Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.

A plot to kill U.S. Senators that Kerry did NOT report to the proper authorities (FBI) by the way. He may have voted no as he claimed but he voted and didn't report the plot. Makes him a part of the plot in my book.

He also didn't report the "atrocities" he said happened in Vietnam - as he was supposed to do.

The 2001 documents indicate a clarification of unit awards and campaign ribbons. It is a 215 not a 214.

The 1978 document is a discharge from the reserves. Again not a 214. Read it carefully, it is a release from the inactive reserves, essentially relieving him of any further obligations or call-ups.

The DD214 is the paper you want. All documents are not needed, nor are they desired (by me anyway, I could care less about his medical records, class grades, or PQS records). But the 214 ... that is one I want to see.

But the 214 ... that is one I want to see.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf

Two of them are shown on this page...... 15 Dec 66 and 3 Jan 70...... The one alluded to when he got out of the Inactive reserve Feb 78 isn't there.

His DD 214's are already posted on his website. They show his character of service as being honorable. The Navy has stated that there are still approximately 100 pages of his records that have not been released. These records are subject to the Privacy Act and cannot be released without John Kerry's approval. To approve there release he must sign a SF (Standard Form 180). I suspect, but cannot be sure, that these records contain his annual performance evaluations that he does not want released because their is unfavorable or information in them. But that is just speculation.

The reason I made my earlier post is because I would like for people to be accurate when making reference to Kerry's military records. A Dishonorable Discharge has a specific meaning and is given in a specific way and only applies to some members of the military and not others; officers as opposed to enlisted. Another example is for people saying that Kerry should have been courts-martialed under the Uniformed Code of Military Conduct (UCMJ) for meeting with the NVA in the early seventies in Paris. I have pointed out to several freepers, that as much as I despise Kerry and the dishonor he has brought to the uniform, he could not have been courts-martialed for meeting with the NVA because he was not subject to the UCMJ. Kerry status at the time was in the inactive reserve. If you read Article 2 of the UCMJ he was not subject to its provisions.

Again, accuracy and correct terminology.

The 1970 document is interesting.
See the note .. with reference to block 13b.
He only completed 3 years of active service, and therefore maintained an obligation. He was not discharged in 1970 because of this.

He was required to perform additional service in the reserves .. what happened?