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Solid Jobs Solid GDP
TownHall.com ^ | Oct 11 2004 | Larry Kudlow

Posted on 10/12/2004 7:47:06 AM PDT by branch1

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One of the reasons the left wants a more European style economy is framed by stagnation or recession in the European economy. This has been going on for 1/4 century and their socialist policies - ie the Europeans - are totally responsible for their economic quagmire.
1 posted on 10/12/2004 7:47:06 AM PDT by branch1
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I would be interested to know what these "new" jobs are paying? Are these 7 dollar an hour at Mac D's or are these 20 dollar an hour mfg, svc and/or white collar 50K a year and up jobs???...hmmmmmmm


2 posted on 10/12/2004 7:50:22 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: kellynla
What difference does it make?

Someone earning $7 an hour in a fast-food joint here in the U.S. has a higher standard of living than a middle-class Western European. Go figure.

3 posted on 10/12/2004 7:55:32 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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To: Alberta's Child

difference?
makes a lot of difference to the person making 7 bucks an hour as opposed to fifty or sixty K! LMAO


4 posted on 10/12/2004 8:00:19 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: kellynla

difference?
makes a lot of difference to the person making 7 bucks an hour as opposed to fifty or sixty K! LMAO


...are you implying that President Bush is at fault for someone getting $7.00 an hour? That wouldn't be the fault of the recipient? He/She designs thier life in a way that thier value in the working place is $7.00 an hour than so be it! Want more $$? Earn it! Don't look to the federal government for it!


5 posted on 10/12/2004 8:05:42 AM PDT by albie
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You make it sound as if the person earning $7 an hour could be earning $20 an hour if only there were a position out there for him at the higher pay.

That is rarely the case. Most people who earn $7 an hour are paid $7 an hour because that is what their labor is worth. I was paid less than $3.50/hour in my first job, and can remember how fantastic it was to get a job that paid $5.50 a couple of years later. At no time back then did I ever consider myself "underpaid" for my work.

6 posted on 10/12/2004 8:06:07 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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To: Alberta's Child

I just asked what these jobs are paying...
Now if you can't provide that information, I have nothing more to discuss with you...
Have a nice day! LOL


7 posted on 10/12/2004 8:11:58 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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The average hourly wage for new employees is $17.19 per hour.

I'm basing that on the new people my company has hired in the last 12 months. I have no idea how accurate that is in terms of the economy as a whole, but it's probably more accurate than anything you'll get from any other source.

8 posted on 10/12/2004 8:15:48 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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I don't have the specific quote or date but about a month ago Greenspan spoke to this point and stated that a major portion of the jobs being created were not burger flipping jobs and were actually reasonably paying jobs with benefits. Others may be able to add to this with more specifics as to the type of jobs they are. He said this in response to claims of the Dems that the jobs were minimum wage burger flipping jobs and he wanted to make the point that the growth is real and the direction is good.


9 posted on 10/12/2004 8:16:27 AM PDT by chris9soccer
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Perhaps you should stop feeling sorry for yourself and find out. I would be remiss to tell you that it is no doubt a combination of all three. You see when I can keep more of my own money, thats a funny point with me, I can go to McDonald's. While there its nice to have someone to take my order, thats the part that makes it "fast food", as well as to prepare it. This of course causes others such as trucking companies, ranchers, slaughterhouse err... meat packing plants to see a rise in demand, which brings about the hiring process. In turn, the hiring process causes increased demand in housing, clothing, education and so on and so forth. All this simply by not stealing err... taxing me so hardily.
10 posted on 10/12/2004 8:29:10 AM PDT by Camel Joe (Proud Uncle of a Fine Young Marine)
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Someone earning $7 an hour in a fast-food joint here in the U.S. has a higher standard of living than a middle-class Western European.

Bullcrap.

11 posted on 10/12/2004 8:29:41 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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"Perhaps you should stop feeling sorry for yourself?"
ROFLMAO

feeling sorry for myself...THAT IS HYSTERICAL!

I own my own business since I got out of college which I started from scratch.

Yea, I feel reeeeeeel sorry for myself! LMAO

Better get off those camels, Joe!!!


12 posted on 10/12/2004 8:40:04 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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"I would be interested to know what these "new" jobs are paying?"

Read harder:

As for wages, average hourly earnings have increased by 3.1 percent annually through September.

13 posted on 10/12/2004 8:44:35 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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Not sure why people seem to be attacking you for a simple question. The points that can be infered from your question are things that need to be answered and not avoided if this is a true economic recovery. I believe Greenspan has addressed this to some extent.
Manufacturing jobs support the creation of service jobs, therefore the creation of manufacturing jobs is key to a sustainable economy and a good question that needs an answer in regards to what type of jobs are they. There's an economic line of thinking that 1 manufacturing job will help support 4 service industry jobs. This is something the service jobs can't do, practically by definition.

Long story short, if the jobs are well paying manufacturing related jobs, the growth will continue into the forseeable future but if they are mostly service jobs then the growth will be short lived and the market will become saturated. This is a simple point and if anyone has actual economic numbers, it would be very helpful to this topic.


14 posted on 10/12/2004 8:47:46 AM PDT by chris9soccer
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You don't think so?

Where else in the world can someone who lives below the poverty line own a car, live in an air-conditioned home, and have access to medical care at the finest facilities in the world?

15 posted on 10/12/2004 8:49:19 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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Adjusting for inflation, real income has increased 2.6 percent over the past year, a hefty gain.

One need only look at the price of gasoline to know that the "adjustment" for inflation doesn't reflect reality anymore.

16 posted on 10/12/2004 8:50:38 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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Where else in the world can someone who lives below the poverty line own a car, live in an air-conditioned home, and have access to medical care at the finest facilities in the world?

More bullcrap.

17 posted on 10/12/2004 8:51:38 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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Manufacturing jobs support the creation of service jobs, therefore the creation of manufacturing jobs is key to a sustainable economy and a good question that needs an answer in regards to what type of jobs are they.

The reason the question about "what types of jobs are they" can never be accurately answered is that these jobs are never tracked accurately to begin with.

To illustrate this, I'll post a question for anyone who has an interest in this topic: What has been the primary factor in the decline in manufacturing jobs in the U.S. over the last few decades?

The person who answers this correctly gets an A+ in Labor Economics 101.

18 posted on 10/12/2004 8:52:21 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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To: Willie Green

What part of that statement do you dispute?


19 posted on 10/12/2004 8:57:03 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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To: kellynla

You asked a legitimate question and I am sorry that too many people here feel that attacking you somehow satisfies as an answer. From what you hear from the democrats that all these new jobs are burger flipping jobs. There has been no evidence to support that claim at all. None. The only evidence to the contrary, would be maybe an average wage or wage increase as reported by labot statistics, which I do not have right now. Alan Greenspan said that the claim that these new jobs are burger flipping jobs is not credible about a month or two ago.


20 posted on 10/12/2004 8:58:08 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (I am poster #48)
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