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To: JohnHuang2
There are no credible non-Christian references to Christ during the period in which he is said to have lived," states the film's site.

This is true.

The historical accounts come from the Gospels.

This shows the accuracy of the Gospels (which historians have accepted)

The Lord Jesus Christ is someone no one could have invented! '

The person who could invent such a character would have to be greater then the character itself.

The one fact that the historians will not touch is the Resurrection which makes Christianity different then any other religion.

We have a risen Saviour, all other religions follow dead teachers. (1Cor.15)

9 posted on 10/12/2004 3:04:52 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
The one fact that the historians will not touch is the Resurrection which makes Christianity different then any other religion. We have a risen Saviour, all other religions follow dead teachers. (1Cor.15)

BTTT

2nd Timothy 2:8

Maranatha!

(Romans 10:17).......not by BBC/TV......movies)

21 posted on 10/12/2004 3:17:38 AM PDT by maestro
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To: fortheDeclaration
There are no credible non-Christian references to Christ during the period in which he is said to have lived," states the film's site.

This is true.

This is false.

Flavius Josephus

Books XII-XX, in which he speaks of the times preceding the coming of Christ and the foundation of Christianity, are our only sources for many historical events. In these the value of the statements is enhanced by the insertion of dates which are otherwise wanting, and by the citation of authentic documents which confirm and supplement the Biblical narrative. The story of Herod the Great is contained in books XV-XVII. Book XVIII contains in chapter iii the celebrated passage in which mention is made of the Redeemer in the following words:

About this time lived Jesus, a man full of wisdom, if indeed one may call Him a man. For He was the doer of incredible things, and the teacher of such as gladly received the truth. He thus attracted to Himself many Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ. On the accusation of the leading men of our people, Pilate condemned Him to death upon the cross; nevertheless those who had previously loved Him still remained faithful to Him. For on the third day He again appeared to them living, just as, in addition to a thousand other marvellous things, prophets sent by God had foretold. And to the present day the race of those who call themselves Christians after Him has not ceased.

148 posted on 10/12/2004 6:13:15 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: fortheDeclaration
There are MULTIPLE, credible, contemporary non-Christian references to Jesus at or near the time He first lived.

The sources include:

Cornelius Tacitus (c. A.D. 55-120), the greatest historian of ancient Rome, who wrote during the reign of Nero about Jesus and his death by Pilate.

Suetonius, historian in the court of Roman Emperor Hadrian, who wrote of Claudius' expulsion of Christians from Rome in A.D. 49. Luke refers to this event in Acts 18:2.

Pliny the Younger, governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor (A.D. 112), who wrote to Roman Emperor Trajan for instructions on which Christians to kill (he had executed all he could find, but wondered whether he should lighten up). He was killing these people because they wouldn't worship the emperor.

Thallus, who around A.D. 52 wrote a naturalistic explanation for the afternoon darkness which enveloped the land when Jesus was executed. He did not doubt that Jesus had been crucified or that an unusual event had occurred which needed an explanation.

Mara Bar-Serapion, a Syrian philosopher, who sometime after A.D. 70 wrote a letter to his son, encouraging him to pursue wisdom and comparing the philosophy of Jesus to Socrates and Pythagoras.

Finally, ancient Jewish sources, such as the Babylonian Talmud, attest to the historicity of Jesus and his death while deriding his claims and those of his disciples. These sources are particularly credible because they were openly opposed to and mocked Jesus' teachings. Why try to discredit someone who never existed?

The "Jesus never existed" argument is an old canard which pops up every generation or so. It is absolutely devoid of any true scholarly support, but it must be dealt with because, sadly, some people will believe just about anything (regardless of the facts).

We will each need to decide, hopefully after study, whether Jesus is deity. But as history shows, the man surely lived, taught, and died on a cross.

254 posted on 10/12/2004 10:04:39 AM PDT by dukeman
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