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To: fortheDeclaration
There are no credible non-Christian references to Christ during the period in which he is said to have lived," states the film's site.

This is true.

This is false.

Flavius Josephus

Books XII-XX, in which he speaks of the times preceding the coming of Christ and the foundation of Christianity, are our only sources for many historical events. In these the value of the statements is enhanced by the insertion of dates which are otherwise wanting, and by the citation of authentic documents which confirm and supplement the Biblical narrative. The story of Herod the Great is contained in books XV-XVII. Book XVIII contains in chapter iii the celebrated passage in which mention is made of the Redeemer in the following words:

About this time lived Jesus, a man full of wisdom, if indeed one may call Him a man. For He was the doer of incredible things, and the teacher of such as gladly received the truth. He thus attracted to Himself many Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ. On the accusation of the leading men of our people, Pilate condemned Him to death upon the cross; nevertheless those who had previously loved Him still remained faithful to Him. For on the third day He again appeared to them living, just as, in addition to a thousand other marvellous things, prophets sent by God had foretold. And to the present day the race of those who call themselves Christians after Him has not ceased.

148 posted on 10/12/2004 6:13:15 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
Actually that citation is very much disputed.

However, there is the citation in antiquites XX 9:1 regarding the death of James, the Lords brother (as dbf stated)

Also, Josh McDowell lists Tacitus, Lucian of Samosata, Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, as sources to show that Christ was known to have existed through his followers.

190 posted on 10/12/2004 7:22:59 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: Aquinasfan

There are two versions of Josephus' account.

Greek Translation:

Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.

Arabic:

At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus, and his conduct was good, and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon their loyalty to him. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion, and that he was alive. Accordingly they believed that he was the Messiah, concerning whom the Prophets have recounted wonders.


200 posted on 10/12/2004 7:34:22 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Aquinasfan

Wow...I didn't know Josephus had written about Christ... in many chat threads I've read from different sites, people were citing Josephus' "LACK" of written commentary on Christ as evidence that Jesus did not exist! I guess people had better get to know Josephus a little better. His acknowledgement of Jesus as the Christ to men may have stood him in with good graces with the Father as well!


268 posted on 10/12/2004 12:41:07 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (The Democrats must be defeated in 2004)
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