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Stem Cell Research: Interview with Joni Eareckson Tada (quadriplegic disagreed with Chris Reeve)
Joni and Friends website (PDF) ^ | unkn | Joni Eareckson Tada

Posted on 10/11/2004 6:05:53 PM PDT by mountaineer

Q: How did you get involved in the debate on stem cell research?

A: Hardly a week goes by that people don't ask me, "Have you ever talked with Christopher Reeve? I saw him the other day on television and ..." People are curious about where I stand regarding the paralyzed actor's hope for a cure through what he calls therapeutic cloning. After all, I'm disabled. Don't I want a cure? I would love to walk. But 35 years of quadriplegia since a diving accident in 1967 has honed my perspective. I look at the broader implications of medical research as a double-edged sword.

Q: Why is the debate on stem cell research so important to you?

A: Some today are aggressively promoting research using stem cells derived from human embryos that are clones or frozen discards from fertility clinics. But I want people to know that not all Americans with disabilities believe in using human embryos. ...

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(Excerpt) Read more at joniandfriends.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: abortion; christopherreeve; escr; ethics; joni; medicine; reeve; stemcell; stemcells; tada
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To: Doctor Don
The thing is, if you ever fell off a horse and broke your neck, it's not exactly a philosophical stretch to say your life isn't worth living and that therefore, to ease the burden on society, your life should be terminated - just like an aborted fetus. Joni addresses this slippery slope in the interview:

If we violate a human embryo today, tomorrow we will become callous about the fetus, then the infant, and then people with physical defects. A society that honors life will safeguard the rights of the disadvantaged, the weak and the small. ...

This eroding of the value of less-than-perfect human life also was discussed in the Francis A. Schaeffer/C. Everett Koop book and film series, "Whatever Happened to the Human Race?"

21 posted on 10/11/2004 6:30:18 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer

Thanks for posting this.

I hadn't heard about Joni in years. As an amateur artist myslef, I remember being amazed at the quality of her paintings all created with a mouth brush! Now that takes dedication and talent!

Sounds as if she's one smart cookie as well. Kudos to her.


22 posted on 10/11/2004 6:31:07 PM PDT by mplsconservative (Old media = lies. New media = truth.)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

That sounds reasonable. I think the abortion industry has become a big money making endeavor in this country, and it seems to me the promotional arm of their "industry" has decided if they can get "stem cell research" in the mix they'll be able to eventually recruit pregnant women on the street with humanitarian pleas and the argument that they will be doing good for mankind if they have an abortion. Then the argument of pro-lifers will be depicted as selfishness, and they will be demonized as trying to block humanitarian research. - You see, they can't get as much traction for using baby parts in face creams for rich women so they have to take another route.


23 posted on 10/11/2004 6:31:31 PM PDT by Twinkie
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To: cyborg
I watched a clip of him on tv today and looks like a sharpei's butt when it sits down.

BWAAAAAhahaha! ;)

24 posted on 10/11/2004 6:32:25 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Have a burger and a beer and enjoy your liquid vegetables.)
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To: mplsconservative

Her ministry takes her all over the world, and she tells some heart-wrenching stories about people so grateful to receive the wheelchairs and hope she brings.


25 posted on 10/11/2004 6:33:30 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer

Read her book.
It's called Joni, and it is a compelling story.
She is a remarkable artist.


26 posted on 10/11/2004 6:36:45 PM PDT by mabelkitty (W is the Peoples' President ; Kerry is the Elite Establishment's President)
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To: sassbox
Yes he uses a wheelchair.. so do I.

Years ago, some friends asked me if I was inspired by Reeve.. my answer: no. There are some things in life that should be accepted (see the Serenity Prayer). I can recall years ago some graphics artists did a video of Reeve standing up and walking. I was horrified at that! I saw that as something absolutly so vain - giving a false hope ... for what in the end? A political agenda.

I live a spiritual life and have respect for all life. I don't 'need' to walk to feel like a whole person. I don't look for pity or accept being labeled a victim. I refuse disability and insist on working may way.

I'm a conservative and really respect Charles Krauthammer. When he speaks, I listen.

27 posted on 10/11/2004 6:39:21 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (One Day at A Time || Blue Angel in PJs)
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To: StillProud2BeFree

Fantastic first-hand account! Thank you!


28 posted on 10/11/2004 6:43:52 PM PDT by DaughterofEve (W)
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To: StillProud2BeFree

Thank you for sharing your story about your sister. More of these need to be shared -- so many are under the impression that the stem cells must be from the unborn to be medically useful.

I hope your sister is doing well. She's blessed to have you as her willing volunteer.


29 posted on 10/11/2004 6:48:21 PM PDT by FourPeas (In high school, John Kerry was voted Most Likely to Dork.)
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To: DaveMSmith

Thank you very much for your perspective on this matter, Dave. I've seen on another thread that John Edwards said something on Chris Matthews' show to the effect that people would be cured if he and Kerry were elected. Talk about false hope!


30 posted on 10/11/2004 6:52:23 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
Oops, my bad - according to the thread it was a clip of Edwards speaking at a campaign event, and he said if Bush would have allowed stem cell research then Christopher Reeves would have just gotten up from his wheelchair and walked. More junk science from the sleazeball attorney who made a fortune on it!
31 posted on 10/11/2004 6:56:14 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
Most people are probably familiar with the concepts of bone marrow transplantation or stem cell transplant. In certain forms of hematologic cancers patients receive high dose chemotherapy in combination with full body radiation in hopes of killing cancerous cells. Unfortunately, it also deletes healthy cells, specifically WBCs. That is why prior to the therapy patients are placed in a temporary remission and regenerative stem cells are extracted, filtered and cultured, then returned to the patient where they seek out the marrow and regenerate the life-giving cells.

The problem I see with regenerating nerve tissue is not in developing cell lines, but rather the re-introduction of the cells and their eventual effect and ultimate disposition in the body.

There is no long-term assurance that a cell line which produces normal proteins will be viable in the body or that the body is capable of utilizing those proteins to regenerate functional tissues to replace damaged or non-existent tissues.

One could say it is pessimistic, but I would realistic, that affecting such cures is a long ways off in time if ever. Naturally, ones sense of eternal optimism envisions a day when science can not only regenerate nerve tissue, but perhaps regenerate entire limbs or organ systems. But at this point in the human condition that is folly.

The real point of the Left's focus on embryonic stem cell research is to validate in their own minds the murder of infants in the womb. This "sacrifice" is necessary in their minds to create the absurd possibility that a grown man, who undertakes a hazardous recreational activity, and is warned about the extreme risk of equestrian jumping, ignores the expert's advice and plunges to his paralysis, could have walked again if only we had allowed researchers to murder more infants. Nonsense. Reeves was never going to walk again no matter how much money was thrown at stem cell research. In a hundred years??? Maybe. But not in his lifetime.

32 posted on 10/11/2004 6:57:39 PM PDT by Doc Savage
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To: StillProud2BeFree

Wow, thanks for posting!


33 posted on 10/11/2004 6:58:05 PM PDT by agrace
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

http://www.cordbloodforlife.com

My OBGYN is Catholic and has the brochures in his office; I signed up for this with my delivery in June of 2003 (but alas, with an almost-elevator-delivery and absense of doc, we forgot to Fed Ex within the hour.)

Hospital procedures are not friendly to this procedure; it is very cumbersome and requires tons of paperwork & notary, nobody there to facilitate the process. Mom has to arrive with her own lab kit & Fed Ex package. Quite unlike the ease of having tubes tied after delivery.








34 posted on 10/11/2004 7:04:57 PM PDT by practicalmom
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

I've seen advertisements for such donations in parent magazines.


35 posted on 10/11/2004 7:09:31 PM PDT by Jessarah
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To: mountaineer

"Her ministry takes her all over the world, and she tells some heart-wrenching stories about people so grateful to receive the wheelchairs and hope she brings."

What a wonderful lady!

I've gained a new appreciation for wheelchairs over the last couple of months. My 7 year old son incurred a nasty break to his leg while bike riding on August 2nd.

He's still in a cast and uses crutches, but long trips without the wheelchair are out of the question. It came in very handy at the rally for President Bush in Chanhassen, MN this past Saturday. No way I would've wanted him to make that hike!

But we're the lucky ones. Eventually Jack will be walking again.

God bless Joni in her ministry. I can only imagine the smiles on the faces of those who receive the wheelchairs and the resultant mobility they bring.


36 posted on 10/11/2004 7:14:08 PM PDT by mplsconservative (Old media = lies. New media = truth.)
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To: martin_fierro; All
Charles Krauthammer on Brit's show tonight was particularly good on this point. Called Kerry's & Edwards position on this what it is: DEMAGOGUERY.

Below links to a debate regarding the science of longevity, including the subject of cloning human embryos. It includes Dr. Krauthammer.

"Dr. Charles Krauthammer was born in New York City and raised in Montreal. He was educated at McGill University, majoring in political science and economics, Oxford University, and Harvard, where he earned his medical degree. He practiced medicine for three years, eventually becoming the chief resident in psychiatry at Massachusetts General Hospital. In 1978, Krauthammer left medicine and moved to Washington, DC to work as the director of psychiatric research for the Carter Administration. He also began to contribute articles to The New Republic and served as a speechwriter to Vice President Walter Mondale during the 1980 presidential campaign. Winner of the 1984 National Magazine Award for essays and the 1987 Pulitzer Prize for distinguished commentary, he began writing for The Washington Post in January 1985. His now-syndicated column appears in over 100 newspapers. He has served as a writer and editor for The New Republic and contributed articles to Time Magazine. In 1997, Washingtonian name him among the top 50 most influential journalists in the national press corps."

37 posted on 10/11/2004 7:25:35 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

I believe so -- you would think that it shouldn't be a big deal to include post-partum tissues under current organ donation procedures.

If it ever came to that, there no way I would accept stem cell products from embryonic tissue, knowing the likelihood of how it was obtained...


38 posted on 10/11/2004 7:36:30 PM PDT by mikrofon (Pro Life Bump)
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To: mountaineer
I just talked to a man today who had leukemia earlier this year. They removed his bone marrow and gave him umbilical cord stem cells. He is doing good and right now he doesn't have leukemia. Praise the LORD. It was really good to hear his story.
39 posted on 10/11/2004 7:47:14 PM PDT by Bellflower (A new day is coming!)
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To: Doc Savage

Perhaps some of the Left supports embryonic stem cell use/research because they are trying to justify abortion -- I think that's a bit of a stretch. I work with some pretty exceptional neuroscientists and I believe there are all kinds of positive things coming out of research. That said, I'd put my money on adult stem cells.

RE: a point someone mentioned earlier - yes, "embryonic" stem cells can be obtained via placentas and the umbilical chord post birth. I have no clue why people aren't made aware of this - it would be a great way to get embryonic stem cells without killing babies. The abortion lobby has no (current) financial gain in it. My fear, if I were to consider such a "contribution" to science, would be how my DNA might be used for other experimentation. Just a personal consideration.

Charles Krauthammer is a gem, isn't he?


40 posted on 10/11/2004 7:49:44 PM PDT by Endeavor
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