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Libertarians Win a Hearing in Debate Case
The New York Sun ^ | October 11, 2004 | Josh Gerstein

Posted on 10/11/2004 4:55:37 PM PDT by LibertyRocks

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To: Moonman62

Why is it that you quote a line about Badnarik presenting "small-government, free markets solutions..." with an attack on various other issues? It seems clear to me that this thread is rife with fear. A fear that is very very easily down-played because of how insignificant the libertarian party is, but a fear that is based in the fact that many members here feel a conflict. The conflict is that many of us vote republican because we can't stand big government, because we see it going socialist year after year, and because we see that the republicans don't stop it, they only grow the government less than the democrats do.


261 posted on 10/12/2004 5:19:56 AM PDT by z3n
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To: LibertyRocks

Thanks for posting this ... we don't get much news about the Libertarian Party.


262 posted on 10/12/2004 5:31:56 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: flashbunny

The biggest joke is that you think there is a difference in the Republican or Democrat parties.I can't tell them apart anymore except by their rhetoric. There actions in governing appear to be the same.


263 posted on 10/12/2004 5:38:04 AM PDT by Arkansawyer (Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Show me chapter and verse where the Constitution says all fringed ideologues have a right to be heard.....you likewise show me chapter and verse where the Constitution says only R's and D's have a right to be heard.......
264 posted on 10/12/2004 5:39:49 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty
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To: B.O. Plenty
Constitution says only R's and D's have a right to be heard.......

No the Constitution does not say that only R's and D's have a right to be heard, but let me ask you a question:

If I go to Arizona and I declare myself as a Presidential Candidate, why can't I be up there, debating with President Bush and Senator Kerry? If one-hundred others do the same, why can't they?

The reasons are the rules of eligibility. In order to prevent the anarchy of the above, the rules of the debate commission are in force.

This thread seems to be assuming that the rules of the debate are prejudicial against this particular candidate. If so, what are the rules and how is it prejudicial?

265 posted on 10/12/2004 6:00:31 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: MistyCA

Thanks for pinging me. A person on another website is promoting Badnarik. I checked out his website, and while I agree with some of his positions, I most definitely disagree with his stance on Iraq.

Maybe he'll be viable in 2008. As for the debates, I feel that anyone running for the same office should be allowed to debate the other candidates.


266 posted on 10/12/2004 6:13:47 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: B.O. Plenty
The LP has discovered a right to be heard, so everyone will have to submit to the Me-ocrats.

Uncle Joe of the LP says: 'Freedom is slavery!'

267 posted on 10/12/2004 6:25:06 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: z3n
Z3n,

Congratulations Z, you've been attacked by just about every hard-core statist on FR that I recognise on this thread. Bringing up the LP seems to bring them out in droves.

268 posted on 10/12/2004 6:28:13 AM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: sr4402
The reasons are the rules of eligibility. In order to prevent the anarchy of the above, the rules of the debate commission are in force.

The problem is that the rules (not just the Debate Commission, but Election law in general) are such that they preclude any chance of anyone ever breaking the two party system in this country and it is the two parties that conspire to keep it that way.

Look what The Democrats are doing to Nader in the courts all over the country.

That means they are operating a cartel and the people are being denied choice.

This thread seems to be assuming that the rules of the debate are prejudicial against this particular candidate. If so, what are the rules and how is it prejudicial?

I think Badnarik's argument is that if you are going to hold a debate between only two of several candidates in a public election then it is not a public event and the candidates in question should provide their own facilities and resources to do that. You and I cannot get free use of a university campus and national airwaves to broadcast a private discussion, so why should Bush and Kerry?

269 posted on 10/12/2004 6:40:26 AM PDT by Wil H
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To: Wil H

Well, remember Perot and the Reform Party?


270 posted on 10/12/2004 6:40:55 AM PDT by Kurt_D
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To: Wil H

Well, remember Perot and the Reform Party?


271 posted on 10/12/2004 6:41:08 AM PDT by Kurt_D
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To: WildTurkey
Libertarians are more concerned with legal drugs than smaller government.

I respectfully disagree, WT. I've been a Libertarian since 1988. I agree that the party has attracted its share of potheads - in the same way that the Democrat party has attracted the pro-abortionists, trial lawyers, and Michael Moore libertines.

There are those of us who are genuinely for smaller government. I guess if we were to continue the analogy, I am to the LP what Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman are to the Democrats.

On the other hand, as I did in 2000, I am crossing parties and voting for George W. Bush. I have to do what I can to ensure John Kerry remains nothing more than an occassional visitor to the White House.

Our respective positions notwithstanding, I am truly enjoying this thread. Thanks for your honest opinions.

272 posted on 10/12/2004 6:55:05 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Don't tell my mother I work for CBS. She thinks I'm a towel boy in a bordello.)
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To: Cultural Jihad

.....I didn't address anything about anybody submitting to anything.....I merely questioned your knowlege of the Constitution....since you seem to know everything....I wanted to know where it says in the Constitution where only a certain chosen group or groups have the right to run for office...you surely know, don't you?


273 posted on 10/12/2004 6:56:45 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty
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To: Kurt_D

Yes, they got stamped out and marginalized by the arbtrary 15% rule in 1996. That is my point. The whole political culture in this country is geared towards the floccinaucinihilipilification of anyone who is outside of the two main parties.


274 posted on 10/12/2004 6:59:43 AM PDT by Wil H
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To: B.O. Plenty
The presence of the LP ideologue on 48 states' ballots serves to undercut your hyperbolic argument a tad.
275 posted on 10/12/2004 7:00:18 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Wil H
The only ones floccinaucinihilipilificating the 3rd parties are the 3rd party ideologues themselves. People are well able to see their shabby political products sitting on the shelves and make a freewill choice to walk away from them.
276 posted on 10/12/2004 7:03:16 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: LibertyRocks

Not only the host's funding, but the whole process is partially funded from INCOME TAXES - THE 1040 PRESIDENTAIL ELECTION FUND check-off! (of which only 11% of Income Tax filers say YES. That is why the Congress overwhelmingly voted in 1993 to increase the check-off to $3!)


277 posted on 10/12/2004 7:05:13 AM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: Wil H
Interesting...

Looks like the CPD is a LEFTIST organisation. NAACP. AARP. Rock the Vote. Slate. La Raza...

Wonderful bunch of folks to have deciding who gets to debate in public. Fascism anyone? Kinda makes you wonder who is on their 2004 "Voter Indoctrination Education Team".

278 posted on 10/12/2004 7:06:37 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Cultural Jihad

Let's turn that ludicrous argument on its head for a second. Show me, chapter and verse, where the Constitution says only two parties are allowed to participate in the process?

Why are Libertarians "fringe"? Because the press, being a bought and paid for arm of the DNC, refuses to give them time of day. With so few differences between Bush and Kerry, it would be an amazing turn of events if a Libertarian was given actual air time in a national debate. The destruction of the two-party duopoly would be immediate.

Nowhere in our Constitution, or any of the founders writings does it say we should only have two parties.

Here's the bottom line. Nearly 40% of the people didn't vote last election. Why? Because they feel left out. They feel like their ideas are not represented. What would happen if they were? It would show a real change.

Paul


279 posted on 10/12/2004 7:17:37 AM PDT by spacewarp (Visit the American Patriot Party and stay a while. http://www.patriotparty.us)
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To: Jonathon Spectre
so-called "conservatives" can be just as hypocritical and ignorant as the most mindless leftist shill.

amen.

280 posted on 10/12/2004 7:18:00 AM PDT by kpp_kpp
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