Posted on 10/10/2004 3:19:56 PM PDT by schaketo
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Funny how they went silent right before the election...
I don't think a constitutional ban on gay marriags is necessary or desirable. The underlying concept of the American constitution is to protect the individual from the state/government. And this proposed ban is actually a direct restriction on individual rights. In any case, this whole situation is not worrying me too much because I am more concerned about foreign policy and the economy.
great post
Notice how when it's a left-wing issue the right is way ahead on in public opinion, its a "divide." If it's something liberals even come close in the poll numbers regarding, its considered what the people want.
Constitutional amendment or not our Nine Black Robes on the High Court will have the final say on what is or isn't constitutional - and the people be damned.
These Black Robed oligarchs have already given us murder in the womb, and found a right to sodomy why should anything like a constitutional amendment stop them?
Get the government OUT of marriage! I'm sick of hearing all brands of rabid extremists fighting about how the government has to do marriage THEIR way. Set up your personal life however your personal beliefs and tastes dictate. If you're a free citizen, you don't need a license from the government.
No restrictions at all. They are free to do whatever they want. The fact that the state does not recognize their union is certainly not a god-given right. The real criminals forcing this issue is the court system which has usurped the power of the legistlature and the will of the people.
And that line about people being for equal rights but don't know if they want to include marriage in that....PLEASE!!! That sure reveals the reporters opinion. Everyone has a right to participate in marriage by its legal definition. Gays can vote. They have just been unable to elect majorities in most legislatures enough to get passed what they want to get passed, so they sue for what they want. Power hungry liberal judges are happy to help. That's the problem.
More like a mouse in the room.
A truly enormous number of Republicans really couldn't care less about the issue (and no, they're not all RINOs, either.) FR is not quite an accurate cross-section of the Republican Party as a whole in this country.
You need to find a country that has a libertarian foundation then instead of one that was founded under God.
Divide? What divide? So 80% are against gay marraige (and rightly so) and its a divide? You could hardly find another one sided issue?
This country DOES have a libertarian foundation, and it was founded with explicit emphasis on religious liberty. It's scary when "conservatives" start thinking that the government is supposed to control our personal lives, in some sort of massive social engineering project.
Gays can marry, but they have no right to force public approval of something the vast majority of the public finds repulsive. Like Cheney said, forming a relationship is one thing, getting public approval is another.
What about protecting our form of government? Do we want government by the people or government by a few black-robed rulers? Have you read the proposed amendment? What it does is simply forbid the courts from deciding the issue. States can still legalize gay marriage, only by another name, if they so choose. They can also completely ban it in their state constitutions. It's up to the PEOPLE of the states, not the courts. That's all the federal amendment does. It guards the people against activist judges.
Frankly, what I find repulsive is the whole concept of government approval of people's personal relationships.
What's wrong with this picture in our societal culture today? We have Heterosexuals wanting to shack up and Homosexuals wanting to marry. Am I missing something here?
And here we can have a great philosophical debate: The USA is not a democracy. It's a Republic! And in a Republic individual rights are protected from the "will of the people". In a Democracy 51% of the population can restrict the rights of 49% of the population.
I agree with you on the fact, that certain Courts have usurped power from both, the executive and legislative powers.
Homosexual Agenda Ping.
A. The media should quit using the word "gay". That is street propaganda language.
B. The media should quit saying "banning" gay marriage. There is currently (and never has been) same sex marriage. How does one ban something that doesn't exist?
Yet more examples of prop-speak being used as normal language. Immediately conservatives are put in the corner. I refuse to use the word "gay" for homosexual. I'm even bowing to politeness to use the word "homosexual" which was also invented by a homosexual to create a special community of fellow pederasts and same sex sodomy afficiandos.
Additionally, most homosexuals have no intention of every marrying. It is merely a political ploy for power. If anyone doubts this, ping me and I'll trot out my list of quotes about "gay" marriage by noted homosexual spokespeople.
Let me and Scripter know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
So just exactly where would you draw a moral line, if ever?!?
Gays can have any perverted relationship they want to have (except if it's for money). They are not owed public recognition and approval.
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