October 8th Bush/Kerry Post-Debate LIVE Thread

[andrew1957]

October 8th Bush/Kerry Debate

[ImProudToBeAnAmerican]

Kerry didn't know what hit him. He really looked ill after it was over.

Kerry was close to loosing it a couple times - knees buckled - he couldn't take the body blows.

Bush deserves a metal for not reacting to sKerry BSing - Geo was cool and strong under pressure.

I don't think Geo will hold back in round three - truly a master at rope-a-dope.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

If you recall the media tried to give FL to Gore in 2000
VNS was a private consortium owned by
ABC News, The Associated Press, CBS News, CNN, Fox News, and NBC.
4 of the 5 of the networks and cable newsrooms
(only ABC waited till both time zones closed)
"announced" Gore had won
BEFORE the 2nd time zone in FL had closed.
This cost President Bush votes in the FL panhandle.

I was at a friends house and the State of FL election website results showed President Bush was winning

In fact, the networks which called Florida for Gore did so early in the evening—before polls had even closed in the Florida panhandle, which is part of the Central Time Zone. NBC called Florida for Gore at 7:49:40 p.m., Eastern Time. This was 10 minutes before polls closed in the Florida panhandle. Thirty seconds later, CBS called Florida for Gore. And at 7:52 p.m., Fox called Florida for Gore. Moore never lets the audience know that Fox was among the networks which made the error of calling Florida for Gore prematurely. Then at 8:02 p.m., ABC called Florida for Gore. Only ABC had waited until the Florida polls were closed.

About an hour before the polls closed in panhandle Florida,
the networks called the U.S. Senate race in favor of the Democratic candidate.

The premature calls may have cost Bush thousands of votes from the conservative panhandle, as discouraged last-minute voters heard that their state had already been decided;
some last-minute voters on their way to the polling place turned around and went home. Other voters who were waiting in line left the polling place. In Florida, as elsewhere, voters who have arrived at the polling place before closing time often end up voting after closing time, because of long lines. The conventional wisdom of politics is that supporters of the losing candidate are most likely to give up on voting when they hear that their side has already lost. Thus, on election night 1980, when incumbent President Jimmy Carter gave a concession speech while polls were still open on the west coast, the early concession was blamed for costing the Democrats several Congressional seats in the West, such as that of 20-year incumbent James Corman. The fact that all the networks had declared Reagan a landslide winner while west coast voting was still in progress was also blamed for Democratic losses in the West; Congress even held hearings about prohibiting the disclosure of exit polls before voting had ended in the any of the 48 contiguous states.

Even if the premature television calls affected all potential voters equally, the effect was to reduce Republican votes significantly, because the Florida panhandle is a Republican stronghold. Most of Central Time Zone Florida is in the 1st Congressional District, which is known as the "Redneck Riviera." In that district, Bob Dole beat Bill Clinton by 69,000 votes in 1996, even though Clinton won the state by 300,000 votes.

So depress overall turnout in the panhandle,
and you will necessarily depress more Republican than Democratic votes.

A 2001 study by John Lott suggested that the early calls cost Bush at least 7,500 votes,
and perhaps many more.

At 10:00 p.m., which network took the lead in retracting the premature Florida win for Gore?
The first retracting network was CBS, not Fox.

Over four hours later, at 2:16 a.m., Fox projected Bush as the Florida winner,
as did all the other networks by 2:20 a.m.

At 3:59 a.m., CBS took the lead in retracting the Florida call for Bush. All the other networks, including Fox, followed the CBS lead within eight minutes. That the networks arrived at similar conclusions within a short period of time is not surprising, since they were all using the same data from the Voter News Service. (Linda Mason, Kathleen Francovic & Kathleen Hall Jamieson, “CBS News Coverage of Election Night 2000: Investigation, Analysis, Recommendations” (CBS News, Jan. 2001), pp. 12-25.)

The big 5 media TV and Cable newsrooms are the real threat to the 2004 election.

..."Early on Tuesday, November 7th 2000, TV stations and various media based in Florida reported that Gore has won Florida which was a big surprise for everyone because of strong republican support. Bush's brother Jeb is governor there and Florida usually gives support to the Republicans. Some of them questioned that and during the night CNN showed 52% Bush's lead over 46% for Gore. It is almost impossible to believe that media could have been that blind and biased to report Gore's victory."...

[kt56]

MSNBC POLL Bush = 25% Kerry 75% CNN - Bush = 18% Kerry = 83% Fox News - Bush = 30% Kerry = 70%

With feeling, like the girl in Poltergeist:"..WHAT'S HAPPENING??!!" Oh, BS, yep, that's gotta be it!

I believe they had their sheepeople pre-positioned for a rapid "influence" response. I wouldn't worry about it.

GW burned 'em, period.

[Jorge]

......Do you have plans for Jan 20th yet.....Want to go to DC?

I was there 4 years ago for his first inauguration. It was a great experience.

[visualops]

Thalidomide

[dagnabit]

Is there a FR Ball again?

[novembersurprise]

Bush proved Kerry is about regressive taxes, abortion justified by frankenstein-science I'm not even sure scientists can applaud and appeasing the same U.N. and old European powers that allowed and enabled Iraq's dictator to murder his people for profit. Oh, he may not be popular with the French-speaking arm's procurors - but he's my Commander-in-Chief!

[jwalsh07]

Negatives - I didn't like the import perscription drugs answer. No one buys that one. The "Win the Peace" shots wern't returned effectively. Outsourcing wasn't countered at all yet. That's his top weakness.

Thats because you don't understand it Dan. Drugs are a 135 billion dollar industry in America. In Canada the drug industry tops out at 5 billion. They import another billion from America. They couldn't supply Detroit with American drugs from Canada.

[Gracey]

Vote Kerry on the polls... so it's lopsided 90 to 10. he he

[Liberty Valance]

"Internets" - "Nucular"

The misunderestimation of strategery has me verklempt...

[Chong]

Good fur ya, hic, bud, I am feeling a little, hic, giddy maself! (LOL with ya!)

[Torie]

Good catch. I in the first debate was very frustrated with the fact that the Kerry policy would have inevitably left the mass killer in power who funded Palestinian terrorists at 25K a Jew pop, because Blix would have "found" that the naughty Saddam killer toys had been put away or sent elsewhere. Senator Kerry, do you really believe that at the end, taking Saddam down was not necessary, and that your suggestion that you could have persuaded the bribed French and that country with "issues" Germany, was a ludicrous pipedream, and just how long do you think American troops should have sit in the sand to wait out the French and German demonstrable irrelevance/hostility to what needs to be done on this planet - without them.

[DaughterofEve]

That is...amazing!!!

[carl in alaska]

"Someone 'got to' FOX, IMHO."

Here's my theorgy on the change in Fox News. I don't have any inside information but here's my theory: The Kerry people told Fox that if they win the election, they will use the FTC to attack the Fox News network on a charge of false advertising for their "Fair and Balanced" slogan. They threatened to sick the FTC and the liberal mainstream media on Fox News in an attempt to destroy their reputation and credibility. That's what I think happened. The Kerry people are despicable swine who are capable of anything, so this kind of threat is standard procedure for them.

[Salamander]

I won't be as hard on ya as your deep south friends.
In Maryland, we don't really eat much grits.
[not that there's anything wrong with that]..LOL!

[bahblahbah]

Thing is I think Bush is directly talking about propriotorships and propriotoryships and not corporations. Owning 1% of some lumber company doesn't qualify you as a small business owner.

[Bahbah]

"Want to go to DC?"

Uh, for sure. Think they'll let us in?

[riri]

Two things are apparent to me right now.

1. Something was wrong with Bush during te first debate. He was ill or something.

2. Kerry was prepped with the questions and had notes during the first debate

Oh and three, the life span of a botox injection just aint worth the cost.

[investigateworld]

Hopefully the DUERs will be heaving their cookies, come NOV 3!

[jwalsh07]

Dunno, but if Bush wins I'm going to the inaugaration.