HATS OFF!!!

Thomas ^

[Askel5]

HATS OFF to the "strict constitutionalists" who -- in the grand tradition of the Schumer Amendment's passage last election -- split their consciences and delivered the McKeating/Lieberman National ID with a vote of 96-2 (2 abstaining)!!

Unless I miss my guess, this latest in the extra-Constitutional powers of the Federal Government will likely be unassailable by veto---please ... oh please, oh please, oh please ... correct me if I'm wrong--and thereby spare Bush any messy furor over the issue to mar the closing weeks of the campaign.

HIP HIP ... HOORAY!!!
HIP HIP ... HOORAY!!!
HIP HIP ... HOORAY!!!

NATIONAL ID'S FOR EVERYONE!!!
WE'RE SAVED!!!

[Askel5]

I'll be damned:

NAYs ---2

Byrd (D-WV)
Hollings (D-SC)

Not Voting - 2

Edwards (D-NC)
Kerry (D-MA)

It's just like McCain's sitting out the GOP ratification of Roe during last election! With Kerry/Edwards off the table, this is definitely the Non-Issue of the season.

For old time's sake, Senator Byrd, you crusty son of a gun: Senate to vote on PNTR today! Byrd: "A virus infects the Senate."

[blogbat]

And avoid Bush's temptation to fall into his personal vice: pandering to illegal non-citizens :p

(Which isn't as bad as Kerry's, but is bad enough)

[Askel5]

What the hell ... Like PNTR, it's old news from the "GOP Senate" days but this post at the top of "News/Activism" makes a nice addition to this thread:

US Senate Gives UN Control Over 70% Of World's Land Mass

I think I'll head home to practice my Esperanto and work on a "No Smile" image for my new National ID.

[FreedomFarmer]

BLOAT BUMP

[Askel5]

pandering to illegal non-citizens

Hey now ... I'm willing to cut him some slack on that. We're nowhere NEAR spending as much on the welfare and entitlements to illegals as we are the money we're spending on districts in Iraq. Definitely cheap at the price.

Plus, the way Bush is setting up, we get the bodies we need by drafting in an Underclass but they'll remain Sub-Citizens (who get a pass if they accidently vote in an election, per the Child Citizenship Act of 2000 =).

I know, I know ... this hasn't proven terribly successful in the past and was a big part of Rome's downfall. But, when you've experienced such resounding success at instigating the Artificial Reality you feared would have to be "forced" on the citizenry ... whaddya gonna do?

[DC Bound]

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r108:1:./temp/~r108uquBbS:e44714:

SEC. __02. INTEGRATED SCREENING SYSTEM.

(a) IN GENERAL.--The Secretary of Homeland Security shall develop a plan for a comprehensive integrated screening system.

(b) DESIGN.--The system planned under subsection (a) shall be designed to--

(1) encompass an integrated network of screening points that includes the Nation's border security system, transportation system, and critical infrastructure or facilities that the Secretary determines need to be protected against terrorist attack;

(2) build upon existing border enforcement and security activities, and to the extent practicable, private sector security initiatives, in a manner that will enable the utilization of a range of security check points in a continuous and consistent manner throughout the Nation's screening system;

(3) allow access to government databases to detect terrorists; and

(4) utilize biometric identifiers that the Secretary determines to be appropriate, feasible, and if practicable, compatible with the biometric entry and exit data system described in section __03.

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I don't get the sense in this. They have chosen to create a new "biometric" ID that will be used for "an integrated network of screening points that includes the Nation's border security system, transportation system, and critical infrastructure or facilities"...."in a manner that will enable the utilization of a range of security check points in a continuous and consistent manner throughout the Nation's screening system."

Why wouldn't they just vote to build a wall to stop illegals from entering, deport the ones we find here, and take out Iran, Syria, and the rest of the regimes that support terror? This bill (amendment) sounds like the Global Government people just found a good excuse to make a giant leap toward ending American liberty.

[DoughtyOne]

What the government giveth, the government WILL taketh away.

It won't take two years until much of what we are, our rights etc., will be intertwined with such a card. Step out of line and the masters will cut you off faster than BofA.

This is NOT good. I know some of you think this will fix problems. No, it will give the overlords complete control.

Ask yourself, do you really think this is voting or illegal immigration related? Hell no. If our leaders has wanted to stop illegal immigration they would have done so decades ago. And if they did so, they wouldn't have to worry about illegal aliens voting.

When this card is a reality, and it will be some day, look out, bumpy road ahead.

[Askel5]

Good questions.

A nation which has accepted the assigning of social security numbers at birth for some time now is probably a little too lethargic to get in much of a lather over all of this.

Keeeeeeeep smiling ...

[Askel5]

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To: Deckard Independentmind

Getting warmer ... this one happens to be on point:

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But I raised it in the context, and I don't want to delay all of this, but I raised it in the context -- I came back from a conference on terrorism back in 1980. I was over in, not Berlin, I was in Bonn, and I went to a conference on terrorism and I spoke there, Henry Kissinger was there, Helmut Schmidt was there, and as I came out of the hotel I saw the hotel was surrounded by APCs, armored personnel carriers. And all the soldiers or policemen had automatic weapons.

I looked at that and I said, I wonder, would any American city allow VIPs to be protected by virtual tanks in the street? And it had been just after a guy named Schleier, a banker, had been assassinated, stuffed in his trunk of a Mercedes car, so there was real tension over there, and there was some real protection underway. I said no, it will never happen in the United States.

Then I said well wait a minute. What happens if the terrorists come to the United States and the bombs start going off, the killing starts here?

Would we as the American people, say protect our liberties or protect our lives? We've never had to have that debate at this point.

And so when you have an Oklahoma City bombing that's taken place, and you have others who may not be domestic but international, what will be the reaction of the American people?

Will they say the government's responsibility is to protect us, and we say absolutely, but how do we do that?

Do we do it through the local police? The National Guard? The Guard and Reserve? Or do we call upon the military in extremists to provide protection and to help with what they call consequence management?

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DefenseLink -- Cohen Breakfast Meeting with Reporters in Washington, D.C. (1/11/2001)

50 Posted on 06/15/2001 16:12:27 PDT by Askel5

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[Askel5]

=== and it will be some day

It's a reality NOW.

(chances are pretty good, don't you think, that production is long past the "LET'S ROLL!" point where these IDs are concerned?)


(P.S. Howdy! Trust all is well with you and yours, guy.)

[mabelkitty]

Well then.
I guess the underground will have a few more travelers.
McCain must be the anti-Christ.

[DC Bound]

So what's the solution? Every freedom we lose is gone forever. We either re-educate our nation about the personal responsibility that comes chained with freedom, or we lose it forever. As long as leftists control our schools and our courts, I don't see how we teach enough people what they are giving up.

[DoughtyOne]

Hi. All is well here and I hope it is for you also. Thanks for the post. I think this is an important issue.

[Willie Green]

HIP HIP ... HOORAY!!!
NATIONAL ID'S FOR EVERYONE!!!
WE'RE SAVED!!!

Cool!
Can I have mine branded onto my forehead so everybody can see it?

[DoughtyOne]

The problem as I see it is this.

Today many of us carry around a number of cards for various credit and banking concerns.  Those cards are a pain in the neck for the businesses to maintain.  Wouldn't it be nice if they could recognize your national ID and extend credit if you have an account with them and more funds available?

Rather than us carrying more and more cards, our cards will be down to one, certainly within ten years, more likely five.  You walk into a Macy's and hand them your national ID.   If you have an account with them, you get the credit.  If you don't, no credit.  The same card, your wonderful national ID card would work at the bank, the fast food restaurant, the car wash, the gas station, the emergency room at the hospital...  I think you begin to get the picture.

The problem is, if the government doesn't like you for some reason, your ability to carry on commerce could be suspended.  Anyone carrying on any business with you would be guilty of underground economy violations.  They could be considered an accessory.  Your abilitity to pay mortgage payments, eat, travel, work, receive healthcare, just about anything you want to do would end at the moment on bureaucrat flpped the switch.

By federal law, if you were to approach someone seeking underground commerce, they would be instructed to notify the feds.  Within moments officials could be on-scene to take you into custody.

National ID cards that are linked by marriage, family ties, business arrangements, could also be restricted.  Within minutes of your card being suspended, a whole list of people could be in the same boat you are, just because they knew you or were related to you.

If you participate on Free Republic and your card is suspended, everyone else who participates on F.R. could be cut-off in minutes.  They only handicap would be if they developed your contacts list in depth.

The abuses this national card will usher in are nearly unfathomable.

[Askel5]

Thanks for the post. I think this is an important issue.

It would be if we had an "evil" Democrat in the White House like Clinton, I suppose. Remember the days when we were vigilant?

I think an EXTREMELY important issue. However, as I was signing off earlier, I couldn't help but notice that the "Edwards & His Pumpkin" article (posted somewhat contemporaneously) had over twice the views as "Hat's Off!!!"

Yes, the title is somewhat obscure but where folks still evidently are neeful of a little humor and a Happy Story (as evidenced below by the numbers of the latest "Caption this Pic" of Kerry thread), you'd think it would have garnered a tad bit more attention.

Frankly, I was kinda surprised there was no thread on the vote posted yet today at quitting time (CST).

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Title this pre Debate Picture of John Kerry, October 8,2004 ^
Posted by AmericanMade1776
On 10/08/2004 4:06:13 PM PDT · 92 replies · 1,907+ views

Photoshop John Edwards and his pumpkin ^
Posted by swilhelm73
On 10/08/2004 3:00:30 PM PDT · 7 replies · 1,127+ views

HATS OFF!!! ^
Posted by Askel5
On 10/08/2004 2:56:13 PM PDT · 15 replies · 586+ views

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Moritur et Ridet

[Askel5]

I think the forehead beats the palm hands down, as it were.

My money says iris scans will be a prime consideration for the biometric end.

Did anyone ever see any results of their use of the Super Bowl a few games ago (in Florida, wasn't it?) as proving ground?

[Askel5]

Shwew ... thank goodness this is one aspect of the loss of liberty, abuse of the Constitution and implementation of the "New World Order" (not to mention "Judeo-Christian" prophecy) that the Evil Kerry won't be able to impose on us should he totally screw up his campaign to date and actually win the election.

[Askel5]

Okay ... maybe there aren't any articles posted because there aren't any articles to post: GOOGLE NEWS: "National ID"

National ID card feared in license standards
Washington Times, DC - Oct 6, 2004

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Proposed federal standards for new driver's licenses contained in the intelligence-reform bill moving through Congress creates a national identification card, according to civil liberties groups on both sides of the aisle.

The Senate passed its intelligence-reform bill yesterday by a 96-2 vote, and the House is expected to vote on its version by the end of the week.

Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican and one of the amendment's sponsors, defended the legislation that was quietly added Friday. However, he said the provision still needs work, which could be completed when both bills are hammered out in conference committee.

Campaign Finance, anyone?
Did that ever get "fixed" once passed and signed?

"I think it's a good amendment, and it deserves a lot of discussion, but it needs the administration's input," Mr. McCain said.

Asked if the bill would create a national identification card, Mr. McCain said, "I don't think so, that's not really what I was trying to do, but I thought it was a good amendment."

Opponents say, however, the House provision goes a step further and creates a tri-national identification card by requiring states to create and share databases among themselves and with Mexico and Canada.

"A lot of conservatives are concerned about this idea," said James Plummer, policy director for Consumer Alert, a free-market advocacy group.

The American Civil Liberties Union is also lobbying against the House and Senate measures, and agrees the lower body's attempt to share information across borders is a dangerous precedent.

"They are setting the gold standard for what is an acceptable identification document," said Marv Johnson, legislative counsel for the ACLU. "By sharing and putting all of this data together, essentially what you are going to end up with is a national identification card."

The ACLU's agin' a National ID?!?!?
Why, we best be for 'em!!!!

The section pertaining to driver's licenses forbids federal agencies from recognizing current licenses that do not meet the new standards two years after the law takes effect.

The new standards would be set by the Homeland Security and Transportation departments, and would include what proof of identity applicants will be required to show to obtain a license. The federal standards are a "back door" for licenses to become the de facto national identification cards, Mr. Johnson said.

Licenses must meet the new standards or face rejection by federal officials, who require that licenses be shown to fly on commercial aircraft.

More than 30 advocacy, civil liberties and conservative groups sent letters to every senator Sept. 20 predicting that the September 11 commission report would lead to a national ID card and asked that it be rejected.

Opponents say such a card would not prevent terrorism, and would instead be an expensive program that directs resources away from more effective counterterrorism measures. The estimated costs for the program range widely, with one at $4 billion and another at between $25 billion and $30 billion.

"The creation of a national ID card or system is a misplaced, superficial quick fix to the terrorist threat," the letter says. "A national ID system would not effectively deter terrorists and, instead, would pose serious threats to the rights of freedom and equality of everyone in the U.S."

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Conspiracy Planet

9/11 House Bill (HR10) Mandates National ID Card Conspiracy Planet - Oct 6, 2004 ... members of the party that supposedly favors "limited government" -- are pushing an Orwellian nightmare in Congress in the name of "national security.". ...

RP urged to use national ID system
Philippine Daily Inquirer, Philippines - Oct 6, 2004
MEMBERS of the French embassy and some French businessmen are urging the Philippines to implement a national ID system, though only after resolving concerns ...

House 9/11 Commission Bill Includes Patriot II, National ID Card ...
ACLU (press release), United States - Sep 27, 2004
... bill in the House of Representatives to implement the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission would likely create what amounts to a national identification card ...

Bangladesh to introduce national ID cards next July
Webindia123.com, India - Sep 27, 2004
Bangladesh has initiated a move to introduce multi-purpose identity (ID) cards for all of its citizen by next year. A cabinet committee ...

National ID cards to be issued next year
The Daily Star, Bangladesh - Sep 28, 2004
... The national ID card system was designed after careful analysis of the existing voter ID system and shares some similarities. Renad ...

National ID card a terrible idea
Harlingen Valley Morning Star, TX - Sep 24, 2004
... Dreier says his proposal wouldn’t impose a national identification card. ... "I’ve always been concerned about a universal ID card or system, somewhat like in ...

Unrelenting pressure to win when national id is on the line
The Globe and Mail (subscription), Canada - Sep 9, 2004
... Morley Callaghan called hockey "the national drama." Today, using slightly more modern language, Calgary poet Richard Harrison calls it "the national id.". ...

09/21/2004 National ID Cards: Let's just get it over with
BTC News, United States - Sep 21, 2004
... National ID cards are anathema to civil libertarians of all political persuasions. If we suffer another significant domestic terror ...

Reject the National ID Card
TruthNews.com - Sep 8, 2004
Washington politicians are once again seriously considering imposing a national identification card - and it may well become law before the end of the 108th ...

Hey ... if the Phillipines and Bangledesh (and Ghana ...)
are doing it ... can't be all that bad.