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To: blogbat
pandering to illegal non-citizens

Hey now ... I'm willing to cut him some slack on that. We're nowhere NEAR spending as much on the welfare and entitlements to illegals as we are the money we're spending on districts in Iraq. Definitely cheap at the price.

Plus, the way Bush is setting up, we get the bodies we need by drafting in an Underclass but they'll remain Sub-Citizens (who get a pass if they accidently vote in an election, per the Child Citizenship Act of 2000 =).

I know, I know ... this hasn't proven terribly successful in the past and was a big part of Rome's downfall. But, when you've experienced such resounding success at instigating the Artificial Reality you feared would have to be "forced" on the citizenry ... whaddya gonna do?

6 posted on 10/08/2004 3:29:25 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Askel5
Okay ... maybe there aren't any articles posted because there aren't any articles to post: GOOGLE NEWS: "National ID"

National ID card feared in license standards
Washington Times, DC - Oct 6, 2004


Proposed federal standards for new driver's licenses contained in the intelligence-reform bill moving through Congress creates a national identification card, according to civil liberties groups on both sides of the aisle.

The Senate passed its intelligence-reform bill yesterday by a 96-2 vote, and the House is expected to vote on its version by the end of the week.

Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican and one of the amendment's sponsors, defended the legislation that was quietly added Friday. However, he said the provision still needs work, which could be completed when both bills are hammered out in conference committee.

Campaign Finance, anyone?
Did that ever get "fixed" once passed and signed?


"I think it's a good amendment, and it deserves a lot of discussion, but it needs the administration's input," Mr. McCain said.

Asked if the bill would create a national identification card, Mr. McCain said, "I don't think so, that's not really what I was trying to do, but I thought it was a good amendment."

Opponents say, however, the House provision goes a step further and creates a tri-national identification card by requiring states to create and share databases among themselves and with Mexico and Canada.

"A lot of conservatives are concerned about this idea," said James Plummer, policy director for Consumer Alert, a free-market advocacy group.

The American Civil Liberties Union is also lobbying against the House and Senate measures, and agrees the lower body's attempt to share information across borders is a dangerous precedent.

"They are setting the gold standard for what is an acceptable identification document," said Marv Johnson, legislative counsel for the ACLU. "By sharing and putting all of this data together, essentially what you are going to end up with is a national identification card."

The ACLU's agin' a National ID?!?!?
Why, we best be for 'em!!!!


The section pertaining to driver's licenses forbids federal agencies from recognizing current licenses that do not meet the new standards two years after the law takes effect.

The new standards would be set by the Homeland Security and Transportation departments, and would include what proof of identity applicants will be required to show to obtain a license. The federal standards are a "back door" for licenses to become the de facto national identification cards, Mr. Johnson said.

Licenses must meet the new standards or face rejection by federal officials, who require that licenses be shown to fly on commercial aircraft.

More than 30 advocacy, civil liberties and conservative groups sent letters to every senator Sept. 20 predicting that the September 11 commission report would lead to a national ID card and asked that it be rejected.

Opponents say such a card would not prevent terrorism, and would instead be an expensive program that directs resources away from more effective counterterrorism measures. The estimated costs for the program range widely, with one at $4 billion and another at between $25 billion and $30 billion.

"The creation of a national ID card or system is a misplaced, superficial quick fix to the terrorist threat," the letter says. "A national ID system would not effectively deter terrorists and, instead, would pose serious threats to the rights of freedom and equality of everyone in the U.S."


Conspiracy Planet
9/11 House Bill (HR10) Mandates National ID Card
Conspiracy Planet - Oct 6, 2004
... members of the party that supposedly favors "limited government" -- are pushing an Orwellian nightmare in Congress in the name of "national security.". ...
RP urged to use national ID system
Philippine Daily Inquirer, Philippines - Oct 6, 2004
MEMBERS of the French embassy and some French businessmen are urging the Philippines to implement a national ID system, though only after resolving concerns ...
House 9/11 Commission Bill Includes Patriot II, National ID Card ...
ACLU (press release), United States - Sep 27, 2004
... bill in the House of Representatives to implement the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission would likely create what amounts to a national identification card ...
Bangladesh to introduce national ID cards next July
Webindia123.com, India - Sep 27, 2004
Bangladesh has initiated a move to introduce multi-purpose identity (ID) cards for all of its citizen by next year. A cabinet committee ...
National ID cards to be issued next year
The Daily Star, Bangladesh - Sep 28, 2004
... The national ID card system was designed after careful analysis of the existing voter ID system and shares some similarities. Renad ...
National ID card a terrible idea
Harlingen Valley Morning Star, TX - Sep 24, 2004
... Dreier says his proposal wouldn’t impose a national identification card. ... "I’ve always been concerned about a universal ID card or system, somewhat like in ...
Unrelenting pressure to win when national id is on the line
The Globe and Mail (subscription), Canada - Sep 9, 2004
... Morley Callaghan called hockey "the national drama." Today, using slightly more modern language, Calgary poet Richard Harrison calls it "the national id.". ...
09/21/2004 National ID Cards: Let's just get it over with
BTC News, United States - Sep 21, 2004
... National ID cards are anathema to civil libertarians of all political persuasions. If we suffer another significant domestic terror ...
Reject the National ID Card
TruthNews.com - Sep 8, 2004
Washington politicians are once again seriously considering imposing a national identification card - and it may well become law before the end of the 108th ...
Hey ... if the Phillipines and Bangledesh (and Ghana ...)
are doing it ... can't be all that bad.
20 posted on 10/08/2004 7:41:45 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Askel5

"I know, I know ... this hasn't proven terribly successful in the past and was a big part of Rome's downfall. But, when you've experienced such resounding success at instigating the Artificial Reality you feared would have to be "forced" on the citizenry ... whaddya gonna do?"

Deport them?


21 posted on 10/09/2004 1:24:43 AM PDT by blogbat (Holding Out for 2008, but still voting in '04)
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