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1 posted on 10/07/2004 4:41:36 PM PDT by JOAT
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In Houston the toll road authority allows people to purchase something called the 'Easy Pass". It's a device that is attached to the car. This allows people to just go past the toll both and the computer picks up their signal and bills the person.

Wouldn't it be interesting if the gov't had sensors around the city that pick up the same signal and keep a record of the vehicles that have Easy Pass so they can construct data about people traveling and where? For statistical purposes only of course (inset me whistling dixie here).

40 posted on 10/07/2004 5:14:41 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Only dummies play poker with George W. Bush.)
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And then you'll have a RFID drivers license to use with your auto......

By Mark Baard

09:50 AM Oct. 06, 2004 PT

Some federal and state government officials want to make state driver's licenses harder to counterfeit or steal, by adding computer chips that emit a radio signal bearing a license holder's unique, personal information.

In Virginia, where several of the 9/11 hijackers obtained driver's licenses, state legislators Wednesday will hear testimony about how radio frequency identification, or RFID, tags may prevent identity fraud and help thwart terrorists using falsified documents to move about the country.

Privacy advocates will argue that the radio tags will also make it easy for the government to spy on its citizens and exacerbate identity theft, one of the problems the technology is meant to relieve.

Virginia is among the first states to explore the idea of creating a smart driver's license, which may eventually use any combination of RFID tags and biometric data, such as fingerprints or retinal scans.

"Nine of the 19 9/11 terrorists obtained their licenses illegally in Virginia, and that was quite an embarrassment," said Virginia General Assembly delegate Kathy Byron, chairwoman of a subcommittee looking into the use of so-called smart driver's licenses, which may include RFID technology.

The biometric data would make it harder for an individual to use a stolen or forged driver's license for identification. The RFID tags would make the licenses a "contact-less" technology, verifying IDs more efficiently, and making lines at security checkpoints move quicker.

Because information on RFID tags can be picked up from many feet away, licenses would not have to be put directly into a reader device. If there was any suspicion that a person was not who he claimed to be, ID checkers could take him aside for fingerprinting or a retinal scan.

States need to adopt technologies that can ensure a driver's license holder is who he says he is, said Byron.

Federal legislators may also require states to comply with uniform "smart card" standards, making state driver's licenses into national identification cards that could be read at any location throughout the country. The RFID chips on driver's licenses would at a minimum transmit all of the information on the front of a driver's license. They may also eventually transmit fingerprint and other uniquely identifiable information to reader devices.

But federal mandates for adding RFID chips to driver's licenses would create an impossible burden for states, which will have to shoulder the costs of generating new licenses, and installing reader devices in their motor vehicle offices, said a states' rights advocate.

"It could easily become yet another unfunded federal mandate, of which we already have $60 billion worth," said Cheye Calvo, director of the transportation committee at the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Drivers with E-ZPass tags on their windshields can already cruise through many highway toll booths without stopping, thanks to RFID technology.

RFID tags, which respond to signals sent out by special reader devices, have in some tests demonstrated broadcast ranges up to 30 feet. Reader devices have proven to possess similar "sensing" ranges. This is what has some privacy advocaters worried, including one testifying tomorrow before the Virginia legislators.

"The biggest problem is that these tags are remotely readable," said Christopher Calabrese, council for the American Civil Liberties Union's Technology and Liberty Program.

RFID tags inside driver's licenses will make it easy for government agents with readers to sweep large areas and identify protestors participating in a march, for example. Privacy advocates also fear that crooks sitting on street corners could remotely gather personal information from individual's wallets, such as their birth dates and home addresses -- the same information many bank employees use to verify account holders' identities.

Information from card readers could also be coupled with global positioning system data and relayed to satellites, helping the government form a comprehensive picture of the comings and goings of its citizens.

Driver's licenses with RFID tags may also become a tool that stalkers use to follow their victims, said Calabrese. "We're talking about a potential security nightmare."

But opponents of the use of RFID and other technologies in driver's licenses and state issued ID cards are conflating RFID's technological potential with its potential for abuse by government authorities, said Robert D. Atkinson, vice president at the Progressive Policy Institute.

"Putting a chip or biometric data on a driver's license doesn't change one iota the rules under which that information can be used," said Atkinson.

The Virginia legislators may balk at the use of RFID in driver's licenses, however, unless they can be proven to be immune from use by spies and identity thieves.

"I can't see us using RFID until we're comfortable we can without encroaching on individual privacy, and ensure it won't be used as a Big Brother technology by the government," said Joe May, chairman of the Virginia General Assembly's House Science and Technology Committee.


53 posted on 10/07/2004 5:41:29 PM PDT by deport ("Because we believe in human dignity..." [President Bush at the UN])
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World Net Daily thrives on providing meat to the paranoid.

There's no agency can unilaterally do this. Perhaps Congress can pass a law to this effect, which will then be subject to judicial review if it is enacted.

Until then, wetting pants is silly.

57 posted on 10/07/2004 5:55:10 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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Every day WND descends further into irrelevancy. This was picked up from a paranoid, left-wing weekly.


60 posted on 10/07/2004 6:07:53 PM PDT by MediaMole
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Planning and implementing are two different things. How, pray tell, is this going to be paid for? How, pray tell, is such an undertaking going to succeed?

I wouldn't bet on this happening anytime soon.


63 posted on 10/07/2004 6:18:04 PM PDT by Darnright
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The inherent safety of the airline industry is oranges compared to these road apples (pun intended). I'd fathom a guess that private aircraft, at least prior to 9-11, weren't rigorously tracked unless within commercial aviation corridors.
69 posted on 10/07/2004 7:00:35 PM PDT by Axenolith (This space for rent.)
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dear God, who would want to work in a place where they track all the cars? Talk about heartburn city. Maybe it will be a punishment job.


77 posted on 10/07/2004 9:45:16 PM PDT by Cate ( Bush is da' man)
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Oh well This gives me something to disconnect now doesn't it.


85 posted on 10/08/2004 5:40:21 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Member of 3rd Pajamahadeen Division, 2nd Boxer Shorts Brigade, 4th Bunny Slipper Battalion)
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This is exactly why I will always own at least one very old automobile.


86 posted on 10/08/2004 6:25:18 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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Don't they have access through northstar & lojack systems? Will I EVER allow such a system in MY vehicles? [HE!! NO!!]


88 posted on 10/08/2004 11:08:17 AM PDT by TMSuchman (If we don't get out to vote, the anti-Americans will win, and we will loose everything!)
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Tin foil alert!


89 posted on 10/08/2004 11:09:45 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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Ok, Republicans, if this is true - are you going to "limit government" or not? Hmmmmmmmm?
91 posted on 10/08/2004 4:40:07 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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"The only way for people to evade the national transportation tracking system they're creating will be to travel on foot."

They think so, do they?

I work in the microwave area and I already can jam those devices or locate where they are in your car and make a fortune disabling them, because I know missile tech.

93 posted on 10/08/2004 4:45:09 PM PDT by BobS
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this sounds like an article made up by FreeRepublic poster, dead ... some things are possible (like taking the trash out) and some are impossible (like tracking every vehicle in the US) ... don't fall for it, even if there are people who are in favor of it
96 posted on 10/08/2004 10:19:46 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Good ol' Coney Island College. Go WhiteFish.)
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I saw a nice Tin Lizzie for about 9K the other day. Maybe I'll get that instead.


98 posted on 10/08/2004 11:16:21 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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Yeah, and there was a nut case frim Michigan who used to tell people that every fourth reflector in the middle line of the road could be activated by satellite to shut down car engines when the gov. wanted to take over the country and put the citizens in jail!

Amazing how many people believed him.

He used to say also that all you had to do to disable a helicopter was to throw a garbage bag in the air and it would catch a rotor, throw the blades off balance and it would crash, leaving you free to run away!

100 posted on 10/08/2004 11:54:34 PM PDT by FixitGuy
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