[gunnedah]

Has America been dumbed down this much. This is another Democrat ploy and we must remember Clinton,Reno and the Democrats didnt need the Patriot Act to murder 80 Americans on American soil and now they are screaming and hollering about Civil Rights.

[CORedneck]

Hopefully, this bill (HR10) and the one passed by the Senate has so many differences, it eventually dies. I am a conservative but the leadership is hell bent to pass this without considering the ramifications. I hope the Senate tells the House to s***can that bill. Some of it is intrusive like the drivers license provisions. The Federal Gov't has no business dictating to the states how to run their licensing such as their point system and out-of-state tickets through the Driver License Agreement.

In fact, while I am on my soap box, Congress is in session too #$^& long ! Just like most states legislatures, Congress should be only allowed to meet 3 months of the year and the other 9 months, they are at home working a regular job. They should have adjourned on Oct 1.

[GrandEagle]

Portions of this bill should be terrifying to any thinking American. Unfortunately there are many who, instead of thinking, blindly follow whichever camp they decide to be in.
Since the beginning of time there has never been any government that had unrestrained power, who did not end up being evil. Those who fail to study history are destined to repeat it - and then wonder "How did we get in this shape?"

[Ramonan]

The Author's BIO tells it all:
Madeleine Baran

Madeleine Baran is a freelance journalist who writes frequently about work and labor issues. Her articles have appeared in The Brooklyn Rail, Dollars & Sense, Clamor, Maximum Rock N Roll and a variety of other progressive publications. Most recently, she has written about the assassination of union activists at Coca-Cola bottling plants in Colombia and the growing campaign to hold Coke responsible. Madeleine is originally from Wisconsin, but is currently finishing her Master's degree in journalism at NYU.


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[Teacher317]

The House is acting as a rogue group," ... "They're defying the 9/11 Commission."

And here I thought the House of Representatives was beholden to the voters, and not some oddball Commission. I guess represeting your constituency makes them a "rogue group" when they're not falling over themselves to promote Leftist socialist causes.

[wingnuts'nbolts]

Right up your alley

[mabelkitty]

This is a press release.
I want to see the actual bill on this.

[jpl]

You've gotta love that unbiased title for this article.

[AmishDude]

Well THIS is an interesting source from which to glean your info. I love the reading habits of all you true conservatives.

[LowNslow]

Liberty for citizens and deport illegal or ungreatful immigrant.

[LowNslow]

Liberty for citizens and deport illegal or ungrateful immigrant.

[snooker]

"Opponents say the Republican leadership rushed the legislation to the floor without much time for debate or public input, just as Congress prepares to recess for a pre-election break."

Catch me while I stop laughing. Kerry said he would implement the 9/11 commission recommendations immediately without modification. So what would Kerry say if Bush said he wouldn't? Bush is a liar would be a start. Well what he said was Bush was obviously not interested in protecting the public.

Want to know what dims are up to? Just pay attention to what they accuse others of doing.

You just gotta shake your head and go hmmmmm sometimes.

[sionnsar]

FrD ping

[verity]

The ACLU sux. :~)

[Dan from Michigan]

If this is true, than this bill is damn wrong. I need to take a look at it.

[joesnuffy]

Seems to me the dems doted on ole "stroke of the pen...law of the land' Clintler
a little lost liberty shouldn't bother them in the least....being as they are the biggest liberty grabbers of them all.....

No matter what immigration laws they pass they still wont effectively seal the borders
so what's the point of passing laws ya wont implement anyway...at least not in the intended way

RICCO being a great example...passed to shut down organized crime...under the Clintons it was used to arrest, fine, and imprison Pro Life activists...

imo

[BigSkyFreeper]

Knowing the ACLU is involved is a red flag that this isn't good. The ACLU has a history of being on the wrong side of rights.

[F16Fighter]

Quite simply, anything -- and I mean ANYTHING both the ACLU and la Raza are against MUST be a good thing.

[Auntie Dem]

If the ACLU is against this legislation that is good enough reason for me to be for it. The ACLU, and liberals in general, are perfect reverse barometers of what is good and bad for our society.

[R. Scott]

the legislation would also allow the US government to deport immigrants to countries that allow torture, severely restrict asylum seekers, and compile a massive database of information on law-abiding citizens.

I have no real problem with this. “Deportation” usually means (and I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong) returning a lawbreaker to the country of origin.
I do feel sorry for them that they weren’t fortunate to have been born in the USA – but we do have to look after our own.

"The House is acting as a rogue group," Tracy Hong, director of policy for the National Asian Pacific American Legal Consortium, a civil rights and advocacy group. "They're defying the 9/11 Commission."

It would have been nice if the article had stated why the author believes this.

In addition, the bill would change the definition of providing personnel to terrorist groups to include providing oneself. In a written statement, the ACLU notes, "In other words, mere association or membership in the group can be a crime, even if no money or other resources are provided. It would apply even to a person that has nothing to do with the group's violent activities and even to a member that is trying to persuade the group to give up violence and join the political process."

Sounds like R.I.C.O. – except aimed at terrorist groups, not ordinary criminal organizations. Are terrorists to be given the status of "protected persons"?