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Battle of Lepanto

Posted on 10/07/2004 9:47:44 AM PDT by omega4412

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To: omega4412

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41 posted on 10/09/2004 1:37:04 AM PDT by dennisw (Gd is against Amelek for all generations.)
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Yes, except they had exceptionally long ranged guns, and destroyed the Turkish fleet (20 ships, taken out by 4) before they even got in range.


42 posted on 10/09/2004 6:21:32 AM PDT by LS
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43 posted on 10/09/2004 6:22:29 AM PDT by LS
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Define long range? The science of getting the most range from a particular powder charge & tube length was underdeveloped (it was flat-out guesswork, actually).

I admit a gap in my knowlege of naval tactics during Lepanto-era. I'm betting that the heavy-caliber cannon fire was directed pretty much in the forward direction, because the galley was strongest along its keel, and therefore gunfire was used as a prelude to ramming. Firing guns at any other angle would likely induce a destabilizing roll. Guns that were directed outward along the beams of a galleyas would probably be used to discourage ramming or to clear the decks of an opponent prior to boarding.

I do know that during the later period of the Spanish Armada, the guns of the Spanish galleons were basically impossible to reload -- so naval gunfire was basically a one-shot, or one salvo affair. Only the English had a compact gun carriage that would permit reloading, but this was still some years off. Also, ships of that later period were generally not sunk, they were more commonly boarded & captured. But with the less robust construction of galleys (relative to galleons, cogs, etc.) this may not have held true.

44 posted on 10/09/2004 6:54:41 AM PDT by Tallguy (If the Kerry campaign implodes any further, they'll reach the point of "singularity" by election day)
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Like you, I'm certainly no expert on this, but Hanson says they were longer range guns. Much of this was achieved by the Genoese and Venetian practice of BRONZE casting of guns, which gave them the ability to maintain a slightly larger powder charge. I do think the Galleass' guns were re-loadable. They simply could not have achieved a five-fold kill ratio if they weren't.


45 posted on 10/09/2004 7:04:19 AM PDT by LS
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IIRC, the Galleases (that's a tough word) were arrayed as a kind of flying wedge at the fore of a larger fleet of conventional galleys. They used their mass & cannons to plow into the Turkish fleet, disrupting their formation. Individual galleys need maneuvering room. If you pack them together you can destabilize a whole group of galleys and make them vulnerable to capsizing or boarding.

Whatever the reasons for their success, the Galleas was a 'silver bullet' weapon at Lepanto. The Turks simply had no weapon or tactic to counter it.

46 posted on 10/09/2004 7:13:20 AM PDT by Tallguy (If the Kerry campaign implodes any further, they'll reach the point of "singularity" by election day)
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Yep, and two of the six never saw action, along with 20 of the Christian galleys.


47 posted on 10/09/2004 7:31:29 AM PDT by LS
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48 posted on 10/07/2005 5:50:13 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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Reposted. Thanks for the reminder.


49 posted on 10/07/2005 8:32:23 AM PDT by omega4412 (Multiculturalism kills -- NYC/DC/PA, Madrid, London...)
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52 posted on 01/31/2013 8:54:05 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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