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To: Atlantic Friend
As for his being selected by Jesus, well, since Christ was ready to make this ultimate sacrifice, giving his life to redeem Humanity, why couldn't He have chosen Judas fully knowing that it would be His downfall as a mortal being, and His revelation as God's Son ?

That's the whole point. The betrayal of Jesus was an evil. God permitted and facilitated it by selecting Judas to be an Apostle who would know where He was (pretty much) at all times.

Why didn't Jesus just turned himself in and spared Judas from suicide and (probably) hell?

39 posted on 10/07/2004 8:10:27 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: Rutles4Ever
(Grammatically horrible, sorry. I re-phrased that last sentence but didn't change the tense...)

Why didn't Jesus just turn himself in and spare Judas from suicide and (probably) hell?

41 posted on 10/07/2004 8:12:23 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: Rutles4Ever

I see your point...still, Christ made a personal sacrifice for the greater good of mankind - and still leaving open the possibility that we sinned, individually or collectively after His leaving this world.

I have trouble imagining a God specifically allowing (and, to take frog_jerk's word, planning) something like the Holocaust and Communism, with its dozens of millions victims.

I may be wrong on that account, but to me Nazism, Communism and Terrorism are not part of God's plans for us but proof of our imperfection and our need to live according His words. Not something God planned specifically, but some great evil that comes from our own free will that He gave us.


53 posted on 10/07/2004 8:23:18 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Why didn't Jesus just turned himself in and spared Judas from suicide and (probably) hell?

Why did Judas commit suicide and thus condemn himself to hell rather than seek forgiveness and repent like Peter?

100 posted on 10/07/2004 11:21:36 AM PDT by PMCarey
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