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Wind farm project dies down with bill: Senator slips in provision
Boston Herald ^ | Thursday, October 7, 2004 | John Strahinich

Posted on 10/07/2004 6:35:44 AM PDT by Radix

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To: biblewonk

Well, it was all a joke.

Faux science is such fun.


81 posted on 10/08/2004 7:10:28 AM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: aardvark-pitcher; newgeezer
Ridgelines up and down the east coast are being threatened by taxpayer subsidized wind projects. These projects are not pursued out of environmental goodness by environmentalists, or for clean energy by power companies, or to reduce dependence on foreign oil. Each of these possible benefits are convincingly refuted by straight facts (no cars with windmill are planned that I know of). Rather these projects are of financial investment companies taking advantage of tax benefits. And in 5 years when the capital expenses are written off, they will sell the business or shut it down, possibly leaving once inefficient now unused wind towers to rust. The decapitated mountain tops will remain a testimate to knee-jerk "clean energy" policies that have no basis in market viability on their own.

Why do you suppose that GE has gotten into the picture? 20 years ago fly by night companies slapped junk together and called them windmills and sold them to people looking to get some big tax benefits. Do you expect that GE is doing that now? That makes all the sense of saying that Bush secretly caused 911 so he could make money through Haliburton. You are way into the "kook zone" with your arguments.

82 posted on 10/08/2004 7:11:08 AM PDT by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: biblewonk

It was all a joke......

Ain't faux science fun?


83 posted on 10/08/2004 7:12:03 AM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: bert

Sorry. {blushing}


84 posted on 10/08/2004 7:17:24 AM PDT by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: robertpaulsen

WOW, they're Invisible. Great technology but hell for birds.


85 posted on 10/08/2004 7:18:06 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro

Do you know how many birds die by flying into buildings each year, let alone those killed by cars and trucks?


86 posted on 10/08/2004 7:20:13 AM PDT by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: biblewonk

Don't forget squirrels


87 posted on 10/08/2004 7:21:09 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: biblewonk

3.75 GIGAWATTS!

88 posted on 10/08/2004 8:31:02 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: 1Old Pro
True, but the blades spin slower than they used to.

What's fun is watching the PETA people biting their tongues to favor the Greens. If nuclear power were killing as many birds, you know they'd be out there protesting.

89 posted on 10/08/2004 8:35:44 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: biblewonk; 1Old Pro
"Do you know how many birds die by flying into buildings each year, let alone those killed by cars and trucks?"

Aha! But how many buildings cause epileptic seizures?

"... and, when rotating at just the right speed, their giant moving lights and shadows can provoke epileptic fits."

Worse yet, an epileptic seizure in a bird!

90 posted on 10/08/2004 8:45:54 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

ROTFLMAO!


91 posted on 10/09/2004 7:07:45 AM PDT by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: robertpaulsen

No worse than cars driving by. That is the wierdest complaint I've ever heard and like the rest, the complaint is with no regard for all the rest of the things out there that are much worse than windmills. Like Newgeezer said somewhere out there, some people just don't like them for fear of being labeled an environmentalist.


92 posted on 10/09/2004 7:13:21 AM PDT by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: Tunehead54

Just wait until those old antiques get repowered with modern windmills. Then you'll see some serious beauty.


93 posted on 10/09/2004 7:14:11 AM PDT by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: robertpaulsen

>True, but the blades spin slower than they used to.

yes, they spin at 3 revolutions per minute.
With 120 foot radius, that's 26 mph.
I'd hate to be hit by a car going that fast.
Any faster it would be generating wind :)


94 posted on 10/09/2004 7:28:39 AM PDT by aardvark-pitcher
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To: biblewonk

>Why do you suppose that GE has gotten into the picture?

that's absurd. Why do tobacco companies make product that kill people? because there's a market. It's just that simple. It doesn't have to work well or at all if people are willing to buy into it. Besides, GE makes all kinds of turbines and machines with lightweight materials, so they don't need major reengineering to get into a market adjacent to ones they already know. And if the market fails, no big deal either, they'll still be making wind tunnels, airline parts, etc.


95 posted on 10/09/2004 7:32:42 AM PDT by aardvark-pitcher
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To: biblewonk

>That might be an interesting argument if Europe was
>actually doing that. As it is they are building them
>faster than Ever

And europeans are waking up to the reality. here's just a few links

Ireland http://www.geocities.com/nigbarnes
Denmark http://www.naboertilvindmoller.dk/index_uk.html
UK
http://www.wind-farm.org/
http://www.windfarm.fsnet.co.uk/
http://www.countryguardian.net/
Scotland
http://www.viewsofscotland.org/
http://www.sw-ag.org/
http://www.islay.com/description/windfarm.htm
Germany (in German)
http://www.sturmlauf.de/
http://wilfriedheck.tripod.com/
France (in French)
http://www.eoliennes.net
Italy (in Italian)
http://www.comitatonazionalepaesaggio.it/

And here's a another page of links (scroll down)
http://www.protecttheflinthills.org/personal_stories.htm


96 posted on 10/09/2004 7:38:33 AM PDT by aardvark-pitcher
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To: aardvark-pitcher

What's absurd? Pointing out that the world's biggest corporation sees long term profit in wind power since the market has grown 30 percent per year for the last 8 or so years? Anti-wind people like to say that windpower is not practical and will never amount to a serous power source because it is too expensive and not available on demand. I'd say that GE and many other large corporations and banks are seeing things differently.


97 posted on 10/09/2004 7:41:11 AM PDT by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: aardvark-pitcher

Every country has it's 10 or so percent of the population that is simply against windpower for one reason or another. And yes, they can be a very noisy bunch, just look at Nantucket.


98 posted on 10/09/2004 7:42:53 AM PDT by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: aardvark-pitcher
"... that's 26 mph."

At the tip, yes.

99 posted on 10/09/2004 7:50:30 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: biblewonk
Is there any basis for your 10% claim - or are you repeating the usual wind industry propaganda. The same that says that the towers make no noise, do not hurt birds, and result in property values within the viewshed increasing more rapidly than those outside the viewshed.
100 posted on 10/09/2004 7:57:04 AM PDT by LisaS
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