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Bush is Losing. Here's why. Let's discuss.
vanity | 10/7/04 | Timeout

Posted on 10/07/2004 5:19:50 AM PDT by Timeout

I believe I've figured out Kerry's strategy, especially in the debates. Actually, it's Schrum's stategy...he tried it with Al Gore, but Gore couldn't carry it off. With Kerry, I think it's working. Kerry is a better actor.

THEIR STRATEGY: Take the "likeability" card out of contention. Create an atmosphere where Bush has to choose between hitting back hard or appearing weak if he doesn't respond to harsh lies about him and Cheney.

Kerry trails in the "likeability" category, so take away the president's trump card: his connection with ordinary Americans.

THEIR TACTICS: Show disdain and disrespect. Take away any atmosphere which would play to GWB's class, his folksiness, his ability to connect with ordinary people. Force him into the gutter with Kerry. (Think: punk rock culture where "dissing" garners respect).

In the very first answer, call Bush a liar (misleader). Lie about his record, misquote him. This happened in both debates so far. Call him a stubborn warmonger, "out of touch with reality". After totally insulting Bush/Cheney, Kerry AND Edwards then went on to answer the question in a way that demanded a response. This took viewers' attention off the insults at the beginning. And it forces Bush or Cheney to choose between dealing with the insults or answering the policy challenge.

This can be a win/win for Kerry:

1. If Bush & Cheney get angry but don't rise to the bait, their anger shows and it takes away the likeability factor.

2. If they do rise to the bait, they look angry, weak, and defensive. (Also accomplishes #1). __________________________________

I think this is a very real danger for Bush.

I'm no debate coach, so I don't know the best way to counter them. I'll put my suggestion in my first post. But surely out in the blogosphere there must be lots of debate coaches and strategists who can tell us how Bush and Cheney can escape this trap.


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KEYWORDS: issues; kerry; kerrystrategy; likeability
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To: Timeout

I think if Bush announced: "We've caught Saddam and the Iraqis are free, so we're getting out of that hellhole," he would do more to defeat Kerry than through any amount of stylistic gymnastics. What's doing in Bush (as I warned long ago - to jeers from freepers) is the war in Iraq. Kerry's poll numbers are up since he's started focusing on Iraq. He's tapped into the war's broad unpopularity with the American people. Back when he was taking the same position as Bush, he was losing. Most Americans aren't ideological enough to be OK with sending young Americans to die in a place where there's no clear imminent threat to the United States, and where all we've bought ourselves is a big mess. I'm a conservative Reaganite who worries that the whole conservative cause - on issues from abortion to taxes to spending to regulations - is going to go down in flames this election, because of this bone-headed Iraq war. (And for the last time, there were NO WMDs!)


161 posted on 10/07/2004 8:06:36 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: MamaLucci

You are right. I am so sick of Republicans refusing to put the blame for the division in this country right square where it belongs, right in the DemocRATS laps. I am sick of GWB taking the blame and no one calling it like it is.


162 posted on 10/07/2004 8:08:42 AM PDT by beckysueb (W for Prez)
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To: gonewt

I'll tell you why I'm not voting in the presidential election this year.

America's middle class is in deep trouble, and NEITHER side in this political debate is going to help...

Well, I hope if Kerry and komrads get in and turn our sovereingty over to the UN - giving the Islamic fascist groups free reign, you won't be asking for help when your butt is on the line. You wouldn't expect help, would you?
And just how good do you think our economy will be under socialism?
Kerry is an avowed "Internationalist" - translate, Socialist. Translate: "Global Test."
This is aobut our very freedoms, friend - and I'd rather be able to call you friend than komrad,,,
See my post 139 to find out who you are going to vote for if you dont vote for Bush - and your non vote will count as a vote for Kerry. So don't think that you "won't be voting"


163 posted on 10/07/2004 8:11:22 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: Timeout

They were just saying on Fox that the SKerry team said that Bush would have to tone down his negativity for this debate.


164 posted on 10/07/2004 8:12:01 AM PDT by tiki (Win one against the Flipper)
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To: maine-iac7
(Why didn't you drown Kerry's sister while you had her down there? Are 'foreigners' supposed to interfere in national politics?)

Because I'm an American and don't live in Australia. My post was responding TO an Aussie post.

165 posted on 10/07/2004 8:13:03 AM PDT by UsnDadof8 (Proud American)
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To: beckysueb; All
You all know the type.

BINGO! Bush just needs to make people "recognize" the type like your brother in law...negative ninnies with nothing positive to offer.

Distill it down to this. Kerry will unload in the first answer with words like "mislead" and "out of touch", etc. Right then and there, Bush should attack the tactic, underscoring how they're tearing everything down and not offering a vision for the future.

AND THEN, Bush should have a prepared line to repeat every time Kerry goes negative...along the lines of "There you go again". It should be short and simple, simply reminding people of what he pointed out at the top. I can't come up with the exact line, but Peggy Noonan could!

166 posted on 10/07/2004 8:13:30 AM PDT by Timeout (Proud, card-carrying member of JAMMIE NATION)
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To: p1ca55o

Great post. I wouldlike to thank Australia for being such a good friend to America. So sad that John Kerry doesn't recognize the sacrifice of the Australian people in order to better the world. Australia rocks!!


167 posted on 10/07/2004 8:13:45 AM PDT by beckysueb (W for Prez)
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To: mrplind
Well...what do you think?

I think your entire premise is incorrect.

168 posted on 10/07/2004 8:15:59 AM PDT by wireman
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To: Timeout

I sent a copy of your debate response to my representative hoping he will forward to the president's campaign I suggest everyone do so one should get through to the presidnet's team


169 posted on 10/07/2004 8:21:51 AM PDT by cocoapuff
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To: Timeout

The Prez needs a good healthy dose of self confidence. I think sKerry caught him off gaurd.


170 posted on 10/07/2004 8:23:05 AM PDT by beckysueb (W for Prez)
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To: Timeout
How many times have we seen that debate between Quayle and Bentson replayed, where Lloyd Bentson devastated Quayle with that nasty and well rehearsed insult "Senator, you're no John Kennedy".

Someone on tv yesterday put that famous line into perspective: Bentson may be famous for that exchange, but it was Dan Quayle who became Vice President.

(And to add insult to injury, it was Lloyd Bentson who was kept waiting in the White House, while Bill Clinton fondled Kathleen Wiley.)

171 posted on 10/07/2004 8:23:49 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@So Much For One Line Zingers.com)
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To: beckysueb
People are upset with outsourcing...

someone needs to ask Kerry if he's going to start with Heinz, which has about 3/4's of it's factories overseas - many new within the last 4 years. And don't let them squirm out on "Well, it's not MY business, it's connected to my wife. And she's only an heiress. She doesn't have any say"...crappola.
they live mighty high on the hog from Heinz money!
172 posted on 10/07/2004 8:28:07 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: kajun
Sounds like a little old lady "frettin" over nothing....

Now I take umbrance to the term "little old lady 'frettin' over nothing!
that's blanket typecasting!
LOL
I IS a little old lady - got 15 grandkids to prove it - but I is UPBEAT - : )
173 posted on 10/07/2004 8:31:23 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: Timeout
Bush should have a good follow up line like the "There you go.." to repeat every time Kerry starts the "lies" and "out of touch" diatribe.)


Since we know the cameras will all be focused on Bush's face for "looks" - he should just have a shrug-grin-hands up gesture for each piece of gar-barge that spills forth form Le Comrade.
No words needed. No words to twist against him. People will love the non-irritated stanch and identify with it...
174 posted on 10/07/2004 8:36:32 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: Timeout

I like the way you think. Karen Hughes, are you listening?


175 posted on 10/07/2004 8:36:33 AM PDT by beckysueb (W for Prez)
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To: beckysueb

PLEASE - does anyone have a link to Karen Hughes???/
I have one to Marc Racicot and others - but I would sure like to be able to sent stuff to Karen,..She is the most powerful!


176 posted on 10/07/2004 8:38:04 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: maine-iac7

He was poking fun of his hard work comments, too.


177 posted on 10/07/2004 8:39:07 AM PDT by beckysueb (W for Prez)
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To: Timeout
Love to see it...It'd be devastating.

What's more, I think Dubya could pull it off because -- unlike Jonn Kerry -- is likeable and believable AND sincere.

178 posted on 10/07/2004 8:42:09 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Timeout

Yep. I think its the right way to go.


179 posted on 10/07/2004 8:43:05 AM PDT by beckysueb (W for Prez)
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To: Timeout

I like it. great answer


180 posted on 10/07/2004 8:43:41 AM PDT by beebuster2000 (while we're sleepin some one else is creepin)
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