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iPod users are music thieves says Ballmer
silicon.com ^ | October 04 2004 | Andy McCue

Posted on 10/06/2004 2:49:05 PM PDT by Range Rover

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To: BurbankKarl
of course they are...all Apple users are thiefs.

Where the heck did you get THAT statement? What does being an Apple user have to do with being a thief?

21 posted on 10/06/2004 3:32:56 PM PDT by TheBattman (Islam - the cult of Satan - The DemocRAT Party= Acolytes of SATAN)
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To: WildTurkey
Actually, iPod has eroded Apple's image as a computer company.

Funny that doing so has resulted in crossover to Macs from PCs.
22 posted on 10/06/2004 3:34:04 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: WildTurkey
Actually, iPod has eroded Apple's image as a computer company.

You think an iPod is not a computer? It has input/output, memory, and logic. What's missing?

23 posted on 10/06/2004 3:36:40 PM PDT by Sarastro
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To: WildTurkey

Bill Gates himself has said the future of computers is embedded dedicated use devices. Apple has taken the lead. MS has no answer to the ipod at this time, only unmarketed concepts.


24 posted on 10/06/2004 3:44:30 PM PDT by shadowman99
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To: WildTurkey
Actually, iPod has eroded Apple's image as a computer company.

Yeah, but my stock is up 17pts,so ...LOL!
25 posted on 10/06/2004 3:49:04 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Bong Hits, Fraggle Rock Reruns and DU is no way to go through Life..........)
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To: Range Rover
I have no particularly strong feelings against Apple though I find a lot of iPod and Mac users pretentious, preachy and generally of the Liberal political mindset...

I've been an Apple user since 1977, from Apple II through every generation to G5. And, although you might think me pretentious and preachy, I'm about as far from "liberal" as you can get. Why do I favor Apple? (1) it's consistently been leading-edge in user interface, (2) its products are more esthetically pleasing, and (3) I hate the idea of a wintel monopoly, with all that portends for the deadening of innovation.

Whenever Mac vs. Wintel appears on FreeRepublic, you can generally count on some religious zealots posting messages — anti-Mac or anti-Microsoft. How about just being tolerant to different competing platforms?

26 posted on 10/06/2004 3:49:36 PM PDT by Sarastro
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To: pikachu

How can Companys make Recordable VCRs and Casstette recorders, and TiVos, and iPODs, and Napster,and everything else that can copy audio,and Video...Take our money, and even teach Us how to download the stuff, then blame us when we do? all the Companys who make this stuff, Are accomplices. Hey Tort Lawyers! Sic-Em boys!!!!


27 posted on 10/06/2004 3:59:36 PM PDT by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: Sarastro; Range Rover

You should be careful about generalizing, RangeRover. I am with Sarastro, and have been a long time Mac user. I prefer Macs for their reliability, relative lack of virus problems, and the way the OS works as well as the software.

I enjoy my iPod, pay for the music I download from Apple's site, and load in from my old CDs. I also love to listen to audible books on it, and I pay for those via audible.com.

Those who prefer PCs are the majority, and that is fine with me. I am happy with my Mac(s).


28 posted on 10/06/2004 4:02:42 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: BurbankKarl

Wait a minute..didnt Microsoft steal from Apple?
Whos the Thief?


29 posted on 10/06/2004 4:02:48 PM PDT by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: LtKerst

I was just joking...

but apple stole from Digital first


and Sun stole Java from Kodak (who bought Wang)


30 posted on 10/06/2004 4:10:54 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Kornev

Looks like he picked a bad day to quit using meth...


31 posted on 10/06/2004 4:16:22 PM PDT by Lx (I am Bluerod, tough ninja who has dedicated his life to the eradication of hippies from the world...)
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To: Range Rover
"Most people still steal music," he said.

I am wondering just how Mr. Balmer knows this.

All the music on my iPod (11 GB and growing) is my property, either purchased from the iTunes website, or from compact discs that I legally ripped for my own use.

These people are getting nuts about this kind of thing. Before long, we won't be able to enjoy any interesting gadget without being taxed to death for the sake of protecting people from "stealing" music.

32 posted on 10/06/2004 4:18:41 PM PDT by SaveTheChief ("It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech." - Senator Zell Miller)
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To: Kornev
Thanks for posting the Ballmer monkeydance. I laugh like heck everytime I see it.

Then I keep waiting for an alien to rip it's way out of his chest when he stands huffing at the podium.

Then I have nightmares when I go to sleep...

33 posted on 10/06/2004 4:20:24 PM PDT by benjaminjjones
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To: Bommer
If iPod users are theives, what does that make Microsoft that pretty much stole every original idea out there....just ask Netscape!

How true.

What was that book that described what a Sh@t Bill Gates was in his early days both during and post MIT? "Hackers" I think. The book was also a great history of the early computer industry.

What two-faced liars. Hummm...who does that remind me of...it's on the tip of my tongue...

I wonder what Presidential candidate Ballmer supports....Could it beeeee SATAN! (Kerry!)

34 posted on 10/06/2004 4:28:02 PM PDT by benjaminjjones
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To: Sarastro
How about just being tolerant to different competing platforms?

I tolerate Macs so much that I would really like to switch over, but unfortunately my investment in software makes that a difficult proposition at the moment.

35 posted on 10/06/2004 4:28:06 PM PDT by SaveTheChief ("It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech." - Senator Zell Miller)
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To: Range Rover
There is another side to this whole IP thing. The assumption is that if people stopped swapping or borrowing or stealing software, music or video content, the revenue to the IP owners would go up. I think that this assumption is false.

For instance, my business buys all the software it can afford. We don't steal software, but however nice a feature a new piece of software provides - it goes unused and untested by us. I will bet that the total entertainment budget of 8-22 year olds, who I would guess do most of the music file swapping, is also pretty much fixed, as it was when I grew up.

When I grew up, a lot of groups got free advertising and publicity because we swapped recordings of records around. Some of those groups, out of nostalgia, we have bought on CD as we got older. At no time could they have charged us at the time for the "value" of the music they produced.

In fact, part of the value of a record in the marketplace was that you could make a couple of copies and share it with your friends and they made a couple of copies of something else and shared it with you. If the technology had existed to prevent any copies, the net result might not have been 3 sales in place of 1 sale, but NO sales in place of one sale. Regardless, total sales among my friends could not have gone up because we spent all the money we had.

36 posted on 10/06/2004 4:29:31 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Range Rover
And everybody who uses Linux is a thief. And a communist. And he probably looks at dirty pictures.

Use Windows to stay pure.

37 posted on 10/06/2004 4:31:29 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: jacquej; Sarastro; Range Rover

Me too! I love my iBook, been using Apples since the //e, but I also have WinTel machine, a Linux box, and a Solaris server--not to mention gadgets that a few years ago would be considered SciFi material (iPod and Palm).

I'm pretty much a computer agnostic--each does something well, though I find myself using my Play Station more than my WinTel box (it was mostly for gaming anyway).


38 posted on 10/06/2004 4:39:54 PM PDT by Betis70
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To: Sarastro
How about just being tolerant to different competing platforms?

Sure.

I promise to be just as tolerant of the Microsoft platform as Microsoft is of Linux.

39 posted on 10/06/2004 4:50:59 PM PDT by Knitebane
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To: Range Rover
I have heard no rumors of MS launching an iPod competitor but pure speculation on my part tells me that there may be a future where Apple's iPod could be put on that "Not Trusted" hardware list in the future.

I'm a big Microsoft fan but such a move would have me buying an Apple computer just so that I can continue using my iPod and iTunes. This would be a PR disaster for Microsoft of the highest order, especially considering that millions of Windows users already own iPods and millions more will by the time Longhorn is released in 2006 (or 2007).

40 posted on 10/06/2004 4:51:10 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (The NHL is not playing - does anybody notice?)
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