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U.N. panel to frame guidelines on legality of pre-emptive strike
The Washington Times ^ | 10/6/04 | Heather J. Carlson

Posted on 10/06/2004 2:04:28 PM PDT by My2Cents

U.N. panel to frame guidelines on legality of pre-emptive strike

By Heather J. Carlson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
From the World section

Members of an international panel studying United Nations' operations say the group hopes to lay down clear rules declaring when it is legal for a nation to use pre-emptive military force in its own defense.

The issue grows out of the international controversy over the Bush administration's decision to invade Iraq without a final U.N. Security Council resolution explicitly authorizing the war, said panel member Gareth Evans, a former foreign minister of Australia.

"I expect the panel to be giving close consideration to what those rules are and how they should be applied and whether an effort should be made to identify generally agreed criteria for the legitimate use of force, whatever the context," Mr. Evans said during a recent appearance at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington.

He made his remarks before last week's presidential debate in which Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry's call for a "global test" on when pre-emptive action is justified became a campaign issue.

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan established the 16-member High-Level Panel on Threats, Challenges and Change in November to study ways to reform the 59-year-old organization so it can better address 21st-century threats to security and peace.

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The legality of pre-emptive action has been at issue since Mr. Annan told a British Broadcasting Corp. interviewer last month that he considered the invasion of Iraq to be "illegal" within the context of the U.N. system.

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Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, in an interview at The Washington Times last month, stressed that the U.S. Constitution authorizes the United States to act in its own self-defense without U.N. approval.

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(Excerpt) Read more at insider.washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bushdoctrine; preemption; un; ussecurity
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By what authority?
1 posted on 10/06/2004 2:04:28 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: My2Cents
Time for the Reagan Doctrine

Get us out of the U.N.

2 posted on 10/06/2004 2:06:06 PM PDT by marty60
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To: My2Cents

I guess the global test is becoming a reality. And voting for Kerry will guarantee that.


3 posted on 10/06/2004 2:07:04 PM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: My2Cents

I think they should first work out when it is legal and acceptable for UN officials to take bribes from murderous dictators, figure out how many tens of thousands of people need to die in genocides before the UN will act, and decide out just how tyrannical a country can be and still have a seat on the UN Human Right Commission. Once they sort all that out, then get back to us on the premptive issue.


4 posted on 10/06/2004 2:07:41 PM PDT by dirtboy (Kerry could have left 'Nam within a week if Purple Hearts were awarded for shots to the foot.)
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To: My2Cents

Nailing down Kerry's Global Test? This should be bad for Kerry.


5 posted on 10/06/2004 2:07:50 PM PDT by mpreston
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To: dirtboy

Let's count our blessings....If it weren't for all of the things you mentioned, the UN would actually have credibility.


6 posted on 10/06/2004 2:09:47 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: My2Cents

so we would have to wait for some dirty heathen from France to give us the ok to go bomb the S out of some other dirty heathen?


ummmm no...

lets take the UN out in our next pre-emptive strike....


7 posted on 10/06/2004 2:10:33 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Proud to be a Computer hack in Iraq!!!!! GO W!!!!)
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To: My2Cents
If it weren't for all of the things you mentioned, the UN would actually have credibility.

And by the time the UN works all that out, the engraving on my tombstone will be so weathered that no one will be able to read it.

8 posted on 10/06/2004 2:11:23 PM PDT by dirtboy (Kerry could have left 'Nam within a week if Purple Hearts were awarded for shots to the foot.)
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To: My2Cents
This from an organization that is so spineless is still working on defining the term 'terrorist'. I would guess they will be quicker to define a preemptive strike as any use of United States military except under the command of the United Nations.
9 posted on 10/06/2004 2:11:57 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: My2Cents

It is illegal if it interrupts the cash flow to UN officials.


10 posted on 10/06/2004 2:13:45 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: My2Cents

The rules are as long as corrupt government and UN officials are being making millions being bribed to prop up a wicked dictator, you cannot legally attack the country.


11 posted on 10/06/2004 2:14:26 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Proverbs 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.)
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U.N. panel to frame guidelines on legality of pre-emptive strike

ROTFLMPJO

Why don't they solve REAL problems, ie Sudan, too tough I guess, talking is much safer.

12 posted on 10/06/2004 2:16:13 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: My2Cents
ALL UN REPORTS HERE.


13 posted on 10/06/2004 2:18:53 PM PDT by Leisler (Kerry, release your Department of Defense SF 180)
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To: goldfinch
The UN acted as a broker for treaties signed by Saddam during unconditional surrender at the end of Gulf War I. OK, thank you UN, you did your job. Does anyone question he broke the treaties? We can go to the UN and talk about that. All that is fine and dandy. Nations that are wronged by the broken treaties take appropriate corrective action under the laws of war.

The UN should recognize that it is no more than a place for nations to gather together to form agreements.

14 posted on 10/06/2004 2:19:04 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: My2Cents

They wouldn't be "studying" it if their intented results were to benefit the United States.


15 posted on 10/06/2004 2:22:54 PM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: Mister Baredog

Fine, let the UN panel lay down guidelines for the legality of a pre-emptive strike. Guess we will just take our soldiers, tanks, planes, etc., and go home. Let those weasels defend their own countries and see how far they get without the US. Think it's about time the learned "if you play with the big boys, you'd better be able to keep up".


16 posted on 10/06/2004 2:23:16 PM PDT by Ginifer
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To: NutCrackerBoy

This is the simplest explanation and justification for our action against Saddam...."Operation Iraqi Freedom" was simply a conclusion to the 1991 Gulf War, precipitated by numerous and flagrant violations of the ceasefire agreements by Saddam. It was the wrap-up of a 12-year old ongoing war with Iraq. Frankly, looked at in this way, the UN was "illegally" violating its own resolutions in NOT approving final action to take out Saddam.


17 posted on 10/06/2004 2:25:45 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: Ginifer

The UN belongs in Paris


18 posted on 10/06/2004 2:26:25 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: My2Cents

If you're not with us...

I wish Paul Bunyan would kick that U.N. building about ten miles out to sea.


19 posted on 10/06/2004 2:29:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: Ginifer

Here's a scenario....The UN comes up with a "test" of legality for pre-emptive action; not coincidentially, the Coalition action against Saddam "fails" the test...Hence, Pres. John Kerry immediately withdraws all US troops from Iraq, claiming they are there "illegally." Saddam is restored to power.


20 posted on 10/06/2004 2:29:55 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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