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Dems on attack - GOP in trouble
New York Daily News ^ | October 6, 2004 | Michael Goodwin

Posted on 10/06/2004 10:23:13 AM PDT by Area Freeper

John Edwards was puppy-dog happy to be debating last night. Dick Cheney was the old hound who, only because he had to, agreed to show up and fetch some answers. So both men lived up to type and hype. Neither one stomped the other, but that doesn't make it a tie game. Republicans are still in trouble.

After the veep venom fest, the GOP team is walking wounded. Democrats have the momentum, and Edwards stayed on offense most of the night. He went hard after the key to victory - sounding almost Republican-tough about killing terrorists.

Cheney's job was to stop the bleeding that started with last Thursday's presidential debate. John Kerry's strong performance, at least compared with President Bush's lackluster one, helped to push the race back to neck and neck, which is why Edwards mentioned "last Thursday" six times by my count.

Cheney actually did far better than Bush did against Kerry. But the talking abilities of Edwards the trial lawyer gave him a built-in advantage that Cheney could not overcome.

Not that he tried very hard. Although the vice president came equipped with some zingers, such as the number of times Edwards has missed Senate meetings, his body language - from slumping a lot to slumping a little - spoke louder.

So did his hands. He went from clasping and wringing them to propping up his chin while he talked. At least twice he essentially passed on a chance to speak, suggesting he either couldn't be bothered or had nothing to say. It was not an inspiring performance, even though he scored solid points to those paying close attention. He drove home repeatedly, for example, the charge that Kerry's record showed him too inconsistent to be commander-in-chief.

Unfortunately for Republicans, a TV debate puts the emphasis on TV. And Edwards looks better, sounds better and comes across as more engaged and engaging. He leaned forward and became animated, conveying energy and the promise of change. He conceded he lacks Cheney's experience, but sought to make it a virture, saying the U.S. "can't take four more years of their experience."

And Edwards zeroed in on a few key tasks. He repeated several times that he and Kerry "have a plan." He used the phrase talking about Iraq, about health care, the deficit, jobs, even on lawsuits. I got the sense somebody told him the word "plan" tested well in focus groups.

Edwards' other task was harder - to convince voters he and Kerry would be tough on terror. Polls have shown huge gaps on that issue, and it remains the final obstacle for the Kerry campaign. Millions of Americans who have doubts about Bush's policies have greater doubts about Kerry's leadership.

Edwards confronted the issue, saying how tough he and Kerry would be. "I would find the terrorists wherever they are and kill them before they do harm to us," Edwards said.

If that's the quote of the day, the whopper was Edwards' claim that "John Kerry has been completely consistent about Iraq and so have I."

The election season has obviously taught Dems the public is more serious about terrorism than the party was just months ago. That Kerry and Edwards are now talking tough is a welcome change.

They should leave it at that. They shouldn't insult voters by insisting they've been saying the same thing all along. Even a donkey knows that's not true.


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; putthebongdown; vpdebate
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To: cyncooper

Thanks. I needed a good, hard, slap in the face:)


81 posted on 10/06/2004 11:16:55 AM PDT by Clump
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To: Area Freeper

Note to Michael: Put down the crack pipe and back away from the keyboard!


82 posted on 10/06/2004 11:17:58 AM PDT by Jaded ((Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain))
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To: Clump

Glad to see you took it in the spirit it was intended!


83 posted on 10/06/2004 11:18:01 AM PDT by cyncooper (Have I mentioned lately that I despise the media?)
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To: Area Freeper

Perfect example.


84 posted on 10/06/2004 11:18:43 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Area Freeper

Dream on baby...Cheney opened up a can of whoop a$$ on the Breck girl, and everyone knows it.


85 posted on 10/06/2004 11:20:46 AM PDT by I'm ALL Right! ("When the going gets weird, anchor men punt." - Dan Rather, election 2000)
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To: Area Freeper
[Edwards]... sounding almost Republican-tough about killing terrorists.

Almost? Bless his heart.

86 posted on 10/06/2004 11:21:28 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (Kerry - Indecision married with a lack of vision, shapeshifting, magical thinker, throws like a girl)
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To: cyncooper

I'm a calm guy, I don't take it personal. Where have we heard that line before?


87 posted on 10/06/2004 11:22:46 AM PDT by Clump
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To: HamiltonJay

Hashish, LSD and booze all at the same time would not have changed what I saw. Although it would have been enjoyable when the Edwards creature unzipped himself and a lizard crawling out.


88 posted on 10/06/2004 11:24:00 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My father is 10X the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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To: LS

What have Fox News showed etc? All I have seen is the ABC poll oversampling Repubs saying Cheney won and the CBS laughinstock poll showing Edwards did.

We need more than that.


89 posted on 10/06/2004 11:24:32 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: Area Freeper

The dems didn't see the same debate I watched.


90 posted on 10/06/2004 11:26:44 AM PDT by AlGone2001 (If liberals must lie to advance their agenda, why is liberalism good for me?)
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To: MNJohnnie
No, my only concern has been over how the media coverage has apparently swayed the opinion of some of the sheeple. The immediate aftermath of the debate was almost nothing, but the spin and the coverage have had some impact. All I am saying is that we need some new momentum to get things back on track. Maybe last night was just what the Dr. ordered. But we won't know for a few days. I never did let the Newsweek or Gallup polls get me down, but I do put some stock in what the Rasmussen daily tracking poll shows. having said that, I am not yet convinced that Kerry's small bounce will stick.
91 posted on 10/06/2004 11:27:29 AM PDT by Clump
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To: rwfromkansas
What have Fox News showed etc? All I have seen is the ABC poll oversampling Repubs saying Cheney won and the CBS laughinstock poll showing Edwards did.
We need more than that.

They can't use the on line polls any more. Democrats dweeped them last night (with a little right wing help). LOL.
They're discredited - big time! The sites had to toss them.

92 posted on 10/06/2004 11:28:46 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Area Freeper

This guy must have watched the debate in the "other" America that Edwards lives in.

"Two Americas"

Pathetic.


93 posted on 10/06/2004 11:31:53 AM PDT by americanMel (W...The President)
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To: rwfromkansas

Fox was quoting ABC this morning.


94 posted on 10/06/2004 11:58:22 AM PDT by LS
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To: rwfromkansas
Try this: Carville's own site says Bush won.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1237076/posts

95 posted on 10/06/2004 11:59:16 AM PDT by LS
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To: Area Freeper

What's this guy smokin' - I want some.......


96 posted on 10/06/2004 12:01:15 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Area Freeper

Hope you are all ready for war, folks! See, it's like this! The "traitor" Democrat Party will do anything, and I mean anything, to win. They know that if they go down on November 2nd, they are cooked for many years to come. It is imperative that we stay strong, focused and keep our eyes on the prize no matter what the low life vermin of the Democrat Party comes up with. Bottom line is to make certain that we get out every vote for GW Bush on election day. This is a critical path election for our freedom and the future of the USA! John Kerry and the "traitor" Democrat Party must be destroyed at the ballot box this year!!!


97 posted on 10/06/2004 12:01:40 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: Area Freeper
Dems on attack - GOP in trouble

Maybe there really are 2 Americas. One the liberals imagine & one grounded in reality & truth.
98 posted on 10/06/2004 12:15:13 PM PDT by jrushing (Democrats=National Socialist Workers Party)
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