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'Hate-crimes' bill to muzzle Christians?
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, October 6, 2004

Posted on 10/06/2004 12:03:31 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: JohnHuang2

I wonder how long it will be before democrats and flaming liberals will be added to the list of protected special people.


21 posted on 10/06/2004 6:31:00 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: JohnHuang2

Onward Christian Soldiers


22 posted on 10/06/2004 6:37:29 AM PDT by Militiaman7 (Jesus is my personal Physician.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

"The Left is the enemy of human and civil rights."

Considering that leftism is of and from Satan, that stands to reason.


23 posted on 10/06/2004 6:57:48 AM PDT by dsc
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To: treowth
Dementia is running rampant in America.

That says it all.

24 posted on 10/06/2004 7:13:15 AM PDT by Romulus (Why change Horsemen in the middle of the Apocalypse?)
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To: JohnHuang2

Ping to read later.


25 posted on 10/06/2004 7:33:35 AM PDT by redgolum (Molon labe)
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To: JohnHuang2
Knight commented, "It's a very dangerous bill, because it adds 'sexual orientation' to hate-crimes law, and it greatly expands federal jurisdiction.

So if you catch someone raping your dog, you can't slap him silly?

26 posted on 10/06/2004 8:06:55 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: JohnHuang2
If you ever get arrested for a hate crime, just tell them you're a closet homosexual. Everyone can use the defense any time they need it. Who can prove otherwise? What'll they do then?
What if a woman uses vibrator instead of a husband? Does she become a protected class?
How about flashers? Clinton was protected.
27 posted on 10/06/2004 8:11:10 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: JohnHuang2
"Congress should work to protect Americans, not discriminate against them,"

So polygamy is OK? Those people are Americans.

28 posted on 10/06/2004 8:13:18 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: treowth
Homosexuals said all they wanted was to be tolerated.

The term "gay" puts a pretty mask on a vile behavior. That mask has to be removed.
They're not "gay." They're sexually dysfunctional homosexuals.

29 posted on 10/06/2004 8:19:05 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: R. Scott
I wonder how long it will be before democrats and flaming liberals will be added to the list of protected special people.

They already are.
Abortionists, homosexuals, the lazy, the race baiter's.

Political correctness is designed to silence any dissent against the liberal special interest groups.

ANY republican who caves to the liberal agenda needs to be replaced. We have a lot of work to do.

30 posted on 10/06/2004 8:25:52 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: visualops

Time for you to write Senator Graham again, dear. This must not pass!


32 posted on 10/06/2004 8:50:33 AM PDT by TheStickman (If a moron becomes senile how can you tell?)
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To: TheStickman

This is not the first time this has come up, because I recall writing him about this topic previously.
I will write again.


33 posted on 10/06/2004 9:19:04 AM PDT by visualops (This Space For Rent Call 1-800-TAG-LINE)
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To: concerned about politics

Yes – like replacing my own Senator Warner of Virginia – claiming to be a Republican.


34 posted on 10/06/2004 12:24:47 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: JohnHuang2

Hate speech laws are all unconstitutional. Everyone is suppose to be equal under our laws and this elevates certain classes of people as being worth more than others. It also violates the freedom of religion which has the right to condemn certain behaviors. If a religion can not deem what is moral or immoral, then it is useless. The idea that the law is going to decide how to sentence someone by his "thoughts" is ludicrous...


35 posted on 10/06/2004 12:38:45 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1; Pio; pascendi; Canticle_of_Deborah; Maeve; ELS; Convert from ECUSA; ...

. Beware of queers with tape recorders in your churches. Of course

You are more on track then you could possibly realize. They are currently organizing to do such things, across this country. Young people (Rock the Vote, anyone?)are so blindsided and dumbed down via MTV, et.al., that they would readily accept any PC junk thrown their way, and willing vote for it. Remember - there are many, many thounsands more young voters who are unchurched (or anti- religion) then in the pews on a given Sunday.

Anybody remember what happened on June 24, 1969 in NYC? That is when the infamous "Stonewall Riots" happened. A raid on a gay bar caused massive rioting in the streets - which was essentially unchecked, and resulted in the gay pride movement, seen as a natural outgrowth of the 60s counterculture.

But of course there is absolutely no connection at all between this "staged" event, and St. John's Day....and occult and Masonic high holy day. No connection whatsoever.............!

The devil will use anyone any everyone he can con into his service to further his age old war against God. If gays are stupid enough to see their supposed "liberation" as as good thing, they will of course jump on the bandwagon. Even if the one driving it has cloven feet.

Destruction of Christianity has of course long been a goal of the Devil. All are grist for his mill. But the poor gays forget one thing: "....this night thy very soul may be required of thee. Why dost thou not make preparation of rthe day of judgement?"

Unfortunately, what happened in Sweden may well happen here. Good Christians and religious observant Jews will suffer.

But Christ is the just judge, and will reward those who are faithful to His Father's laws - and those who dare to speak the Truth.


36 posted on 10/06/2004 3:55:37 PM PDT by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux!)
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To: thor76

You bring up a lot of great points. I have heard of people getting arrested in Canada just for expressing their religious opinion that homosexuality is wrong. The more people ignore this topic and tolerate this in your face homosexuality is just as good of a lifestyle as heterosexual marriage then we are in trouble. Our society will crumble as did ancient Greece and Rome, and they did not even allow homosexual marriage even though it became fashionable to live the homosexual lifestyle. Homosexual marriage has never been acceptable- even Sodom and Gomarrah do not say that this was legal. Look at how prevalent this was in Lot’s age and God sent burning sulfur on these cities and destroyed them. God will not be mocked. I sent you a free p. mail a while ago and it got completely erased. I spent 15 minutes on it. So I wanted to let you know that I haven’t been ignoring you. God bless you.


37 posted on 10/06/2004 4:18:29 PM PDT by pro Athanasius ("The Catholic faith is not a politically correct sound bite.")
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To: All

Is there a hate crimes ping list? If so, please put me on it. Thanks!


38 posted on 10/06/2004 6:31:25 PM PDT by Romish_Papist (USAF Security Forces (1994-2003) Soon to be ANG.)
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To: TattooedUSAFConservative

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 473
(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

H R 4200 YEA-AND-NAY 28-Sep-2004 7:02 PM
QUESTION: On Motion to Instruct Conferees
BILL TITLE: DOD Authorization, Fiscal Year 2005


Yeas Nays PRES NV
Republican 31 177 18
Democratic 182 9 14
Independent 1
TOTALS 213 186 33




---- YEAS 213 ---

Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Baird
Baldwin
Bass
Becerra
Bell
Berkley
Berman
Biggert
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Bono
Boswell
Boucher
Brady (PA)
Brown (OH)
Brown, Corrine
Burns
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Cardoza
Carson (IN)
Case
Castle
Chandler
Clay
Clyburn
Conyers
Cooper
Costello
Cramer
Crowley
Cummings
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Deutsch
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Doyle
Edwards
Emanuel
Engel
English
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Farr
Ferguson
Filner
Foley
Ford
Frank (MA)
Frelinghuysen
Frost
Gerlach
Gilchrest
Gonzalez
Gordon
Green (TX)
Greenwood
Grijalva
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Herseth
Hill
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Hinojosa
Holden
Holt
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Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
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Jackson-Lee (TX)
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Johnson, E. B.
Kanjorski
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Kucinich
LaHood
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Larson (CT)
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Lee
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McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
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Miller, George
Mollohan
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Rahall
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Sandlin
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Scott (VA)
Serrano
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Sherman
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Simmons
Skelton
Slaughter
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Smith (WA)
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Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Walden (OR)
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Weller
Wexler
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn



---- NAYS 186 ---

Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Bachus
Baker
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Beauprez
Berry
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boehner
Bonilla
Bonner
Boozman
Boyd
Bradley (NH)
Brady (TX)
Brown (SC)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Burgess
Burton (IN)
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Calvert
Camp
Cantor
Capito
Carson (OK)
Carter
Chabot
Chocola
Coble
Cole
Collins
Cox
Crane
Crenshaw
Culberson
Cunningham
Davis (TN)
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal (GA)
DeLay
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Dreier
Duncan
Dunn
Ehlers
Emerson
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Feeney
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Gibbons
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Granger
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Gutknecht
Hall
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Hart
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Houghton
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Linder
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Upton
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Wamp
Whitfield
Wicker
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Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)



---- NOT VOTING 33 ---

Ballenger
Barrett (SC)
Boehlert
Burr
Cannon
Cubin
DeMint
Dooley (CA)
Fattah
Gephardt
Gutierrez
Hastings (FL)
Hoeffel
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Isakson
John
Jones (OH)
Kingston
Majette
Meeks (NY)
Murtha
Nethercutt
Payne
Putnam
Rogers (KY)
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanders
Shays
Tauzin
Tiahrt
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)


39 posted on 10/06/2004 6:39:00 PM PDT by watchout
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To: NewJerseyJoe
Hello, fellow New Jerseyan,

I'm not certain, but it may be in The Politics, Book V, xi. Methods of Preserving Monarchies, with Particular Reference to Tyranny, pp. 343-351 (Penguin edition). I distinctly remember reading something regarding tyrants posing as the champions of slaves and women, but it's possible I confused what Aristotle actually wrote with a modern writer's interpretation of what he wrote. Aristotle made fascinating observations about the nature of tyrants which still ring true today. Human nature hasn't changed in 2300 years.

I did find the complete Politics on the web:

http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/politics.html

A different translation (Benjamin Jowett) of the book I have.

40 posted on 10/06/2004 9:30:56 PM PDT by Siamese Princess
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