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Amendment Banning La. Gay Marriage Tossed
AP / myway ^ | 10/5/04

Posted on 10/05/2004 12:08:06 PM PDT by Crazieman

Edited on 10/05/2004 12:24:52 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) - A state judge Tuesday threw out a Louisiana constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

Judge William Morvant said the amendment - overwhelmingly approved by the voters on Sept. 18 - was flawed as drawn up by the Legislature because it had more than one purpose: banning not only gay marriage but also civil unions.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; louisiana; marriage; napalminthemorning; samesexmarriage; willandgrace
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To: Crazieman

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/louisiana/index.ssf?/base/news-12/1097003044260810.xml&storylist=louisiana

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) —— A state judge Tuesday threw out a Louisiana constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage that was overwhelmingly approved by voters on Sept. 18.

Judge William Morvant said the amendment was flawed as drawn up by the Legislature because it had more than one purpose —— banning not only same-sex marriage but also civil unions.

State courts had rejected a similar argument before the election, saying it was premature.

Some 78 percent of those voting favored the constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, and its related prohibition against state recognition of same- and opposite-sex civil unions. The vote was part of a national groundswell against gay marriage, which followed last year's Massachusetts Supreme Court recognition of gay marriage.

The Louisiana Legislature pushed through the proposed ban in its session this spring; the proponents argued that unless it was put in the state constitution, a Louisiana court could, in theory, one day follow the Massachussetts example.

The legislators pushing the ban —— conservative Republicans like state senator John Hainkel of New Orleans and representative Steve Scalise of Metairie —— argued that state law establishing marriage as between a man and a woman wasn't enough. Christian conservatives in the state launched a vigorous grassroots campaign to ensure passage, though it hardly seemed necessary, given the high level of support the measure enjoyed anyway.

The suit by amendment opponents also cited the New Orleans election-day problems, when voting machines were delivered late in many precincts, and the argument that it should not have been on the ballot on a day when there was no statewide election.

The opponents also said they believed the amendment would affect private agreements between gay partners; the proponents dismissed those fears, saying private contracts would not be affected.


21 posted on 10/05/2004 12:15:36 PM PDT by Mudbug
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To: Crazieman
What state allows its supreme court to rule on the constitutionality of a constitutional amendment? Such amendments fundamentally change its most basic law. In theory, an amendment could abolish the entire judiciary of a state if a state's inhabitants were to so desire.

I know of nothing in the US Constitution that would currently prohibit such an amendment at the state level.

This will be appealed if the decision was made using the US Constitution as the judgment's basis.
22 posted on 10/05/2004 12:15:54 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: taxcontrol

Didn't it pass like 4 to 1? I bet he threw it out on some stupid technicality of process. Otherwise he can't do it.


23 posted on 10/05/2004 12:15:55 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: sure_fine
The arguments include the contention that the amendment was illegally adopted by the Legislature because it included more than one purpose - banning civil unions as well as marriages - and that it was illegally placed on the ballot for a day when there was not a statewide election already scheduled.

A constitutional amendment that passed the Legislature and passed referendum CANNOT be overturned by a state judge.

24 posted on 10/05/2004 12:16:00 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: sure_fine

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) - A state judge Tuesday threw out a Louisiana constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

Judge William Morvant said the amendment - overwhelmingly approved by the voters on Sept. 18 - was flawed as drawn up by the Legislature because it had more than one purpose: banning not only gay marriage but also civil unions.


DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.


25 posted on 10/05/2004 12:16:29 PM PDT by adam_az (Call your State GOP office and volunteer!)
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To: King Prout



Amendment Banning La. Gay Marriage Tossed
Louisiana Judge Throws Out Amendment Banning Gay Marriage, Claims It Was Flawed

The Associated Press



BATON ROUGE, La. Oct. 5, 2004 — A state judge Tuesday threw out a Louisiana constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage that was overwhelmingly approved by voters on Sept. 18. Judge William Morvant said the amendment was flawed as drawn up by the Legislature because it had more than one purpose banning not only same-sex marriage but also civil unions.
State courts had rejected a similar argument before the election, saying it was premature.






Some 78 percent of those voting favored the constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, and its related prohibition against state recognition of same- and opposite-sex civil unions. The vote was part of a national groundswell against gay marriage, which followed last year's Massachusetts Supreme Court recognition of gay marriage.

The Louisiana Legislature pushed through the proposed ban in its session this spring; the proponents argued that unless it was put in the state constitution, a Louisiana court could, in theory, one day follow the Massachussetts example.

The legislators pushing the ban conservative Republicans like state senator John Hainkel of New Orleans and representative Steve Scalise of Metairie argued that state law establishing marriage as between a man and a woman wasn't enough. Christian conservatives in the state launched a vigorous grassroots campaign to ensure passage, though it hardly seemed necessary, given the high level of support the measure enjoyed anyway.

The suit by amendment opponents also cited the New Orleans election-day problems, when voting machines were delivered late in many precincts, and the argument that it should not have been on the ballot on a day when there was no statewide election.

The opponents also said they believed the amendment would affect private agreements between gay partners; the proponents dismissed those fears, saying private contracts would not be affected.


26 posted on 10/05/2004 12:17:06 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Centurion2000

Are you sure that he can't overturn an amendment?


27 posted on 10/05/2004 12:17:18 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Crazieman

Nope. The Constitution IS the supreme law of the state. It binds judges like it binds every one else. Now we have judges declaring state constitutions "unconstitutional." What is the world coming to?


28 posted on 10/05/2004 12:17:42 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Crazieman

Why is this such a surprise???...As in the immortal words of Ronnie Reagan..."There you go again."....Anything ever happen to the judge in California for over turning the populace vote??..nope...same old sh&t....different day....


29 posted on 10/05/2004 12:17:48 PM PDT by Getsmart64 (LANTIRN - Designed to kill, maim, and destroy ....America's enemies...)
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To: King Prout

CA No. 1 (Act 926-2004), Marriage in LA - union of 1 man and 1 woman
All 4,124 precincts reporting
Click here for Results by Parish
619,908 78% FOR Elected
177,067 22% AGAINST Defeated


30 posted on 10/05/2004 12:18:21 PM PDT by Bogey78O (John Kerry: Better than Ted Kennedy!)
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To: Bogey78O

I find it odd that they could find 20% to vote for gay marriage. I live in Mississippi and hopefully, we can do better than that in November!! This is the South, by God! This isn't Massachusetts.


31 posted on 10/05/2004 12:18:36 PM PDT by RebelDS
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To: Pyro7480

Nope. He can't. He can strike down a law as unconstitutional but he can't strike down the highest law of the state itself. I hope the Louisiana Supremes take him to the woodshed.


32 posted on 10/05/2004 12:18:59 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Crazieman
Judge William Morvant said the amendment - overwhelmingly approved by the voters on Sept. 18 - was flawed as drawn up by the Legislature because it had more than one purpose: banning not only gay marriage but also civil unions.

You mean like one amendment that protects freedom of speech, the right to peaceably assemble, the freedom of the press, and the right to petition the government. Like that??? I can see why we couldn't have amendments that have more than one purpose....

</sarcasm*>

34 posted on 10/05/2004 12:19:36 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: Crazieman
"Let the individual states address it so this can happen."

The lib plan all along.
35 posted on 10/05/2004 12:19:37 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Shhh!!! I'm hiding from jigsaw.)
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To: smith288

amen to that, just ask those that reside in GAYSACHUSETTS! All GAY, ALL THE TIME.


36 posted on 10/05/2004 12:20:20 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
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To: sure_fine
Sounds like some of the concerns may be legitimate - it is not even clear that the overturning was done for judicial activist reasons.

However, overturning because "the voting machines were delivered late" sounds like a crock. One must assume voting in those counties was nonetheless properly conducted.

37 posted on 10/05/2004 12:20:30 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: taxcontrol

Are you kidding?

This is ridiculous, then. A judge declares the Constitution to be unconstitutional?


38 posted on 10/05/2004 12:20:39 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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Well, it would have been ridiculous either way, but especially so with it being a State judge.


39 posted on 10/05/2004 12:21:05 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Onelifetogive

A liberal judge who wants to ram gay marriage aka civil unions down Louisianans' throats over the expressed objections of 78% of the voters? Now there's something you don't see every day...


40 posted on 10/05/2004 12:21:29 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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