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Supreme Court Rejects Commandments Case
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Posted on 10/04/2004 11:48:12 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court rejected an appeal Monday from ousted Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, who lost his job after defying a federal order to dismantle a Ten Commandments monument.

Moore has become a high-profile crusader for Ten Commandment monuments as a result of the dispute over his own 2 1/2-ton granite display in the state courthouse.

A federal judge ruled that Moore violated the Constitution's ban on government promotion of religion when he placed the monument in the rotunda of the judicial building in the middle of the night in 2001.

The display was moved last year over Moore's objections, and a state court removed him from office.

Moore's lawyers had called on the Supreme Court to "remedy this travesty of justice" and give him his job back. The high court declined, without comment.

The Alabama Court of the Judiciary found that Moore violated canons of judicial ethics when he refused the federal court's order to move the monument. Moore could try to win back a seat on the court in 2006 elections.

The case is Moore vs. Judicial Inquiry Commission of the State of Alabama, 04-153.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: churchandstate; docket; monument; roymoore; scotus; tencommandments
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1 posted on 10/04/2004 11:48:12 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry
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To: Leapfrog

As predicted. Did anyone really think that the SCOTUS would take this case?


2 posted on 10/04/2004 11:51:56 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan

Legally, Moore didn't have much of a leg to stand on--BUT, I applaud whenever a local offical thumbs his nose at the feds. Hope Roy Moore is not the last local pol or judge to stick it to DC's "cossacks".


3 posted on 10/04/2004 12:01:29 PM PDT by Stop_Neocons (These posts need some outside the box thinking, as does our nation)
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To: Leapfrog

Good for the SCOTUS. Roy Moore acted like a fool. No sitting state judge should have believed he could ignore a federal court order, regardless of his politics or beliefs. Moore's behavior would lead to anarchy, and was properly penalized.


4 posted on 10/04/2004 12:06:33 PM PDT by hyperpoly8 (Illegitimati Non Carborundum)
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To: hyperpoly8

It's that kind of antifederalist attitude that lets the Entity on the Potomac run roughshod over the rights of the states. Glad you weren't around back in 1775, or we'd all be drinking tea and talking with some wussy accent.


5 posted on 10/04/2004 12:10:21 PM PDT by Stop_Neocons (These posts need some outside the box thinking, as does our nation)
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To: Stop_Neocons

Sorry to disagree, your version is antifederalist, not mine. If you believe Mr. Moore acted within his rights, I'm glad you're not judging a case for me.


6 posted on 10/04/2004 12:15:13 PM PDT by hyperpoly8 (Illegitimati Non Carborundum)
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To: hyperpoly8

You didn't read my earlier post. I said legally (interpreting FEDERAL law) Moore didn't have a leg to stand on. Legally, Rosa Parks was on legal thin ice at the time she refused to sit at the back of the bus. My point is:

1. MORALLY both Moore and Parks were on firm ground, and,
2. To be a Federalist means you are willing to bestow upon the states a certain degree of autonomy. Indeed, before the anomaly of the 14th Amendment was thrust upon the sovereign states in the aftermath of the Rebellion, the Bill of Rights didn't even apply to the states--and this is what the Framers INTENDED.


7 posted on 10/04/2004 12:23:24 PM PDT by Stop_Neocons (These posts need some outside the box thinking, as does our nation)
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To: Stop_Neocons
interpreting FEDERAL law

Since Congress is forbidden from passing any law having to do with the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, there can be no law for Judge Thompson to interpret. The only one behaving within the law was Moore.

8 posted on 10/04/2004 12:27:08 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: hyperpoly8
Moore's behavior would lead to anarchy, and was properly penalized

Perhaps you do not realize the irony of your words here.

Cordially,

9 posted on 10/04/2004 12:28:01 PM PDT by Diamond
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To: Stop_Neocons

I don't disagree with giving atonomy to states. I just disagree with the idea that Mr. Moore was morally right to ignore a Federal Court Order. That's a funny view of morality.


10 posted on 10/04/2004 12:34:00 PM PDT by hyperpoly8 (Illegitimati Non Carborundum)
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To: Diamond

No, I guess I don't. The only irony I see is put forth by the folks defending Mr. Moore's decision to move the monument into the courthouse in the middle of the night. Even he knew it was wrong, would cause enormous controversy, and might get him fired.


11 posted on 10/04/2004 12:37:47 PM PDT by hyperpoly8 (Illegitimati Non Carborundum)
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To: hyperpoly8

I take you believe Dred Scott was a moral decision, then.


12 posted on 10/04/2004 12:38:40 PM PDT by Stop_Neocons (These posts need some outside the box thinking, as does our nation)
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To: Stop_Neocons
It's that kind of antifederalist attitude that lets the Entity on the Potomac run roughshod over the rights of the states. Glad you weren't around back in 1775, or we'd all be drinking tea and talking with some wussy accent.

In this case the 'Entity on the Potomac' refused to become involved with a state matter by overrulling the state judicial inquiry. Isn't that what you want?

13 posted on 10/04/2004 12:42:13 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Stop_Neocons

Do you have anything more recent? I thought we were discussing something that happened in the last year. I do not think the Dred Scott decision was moral, but it's a non-sequitar argument to apply it here.


14 posted on 10/04/2004 12:46:05 PM PDT by hyperpoly8 (Illegitimati Non Carborundum)
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To: Non-Sequitur

No, because the lily-livered Alabama S. Ct. was using a standard-issue (i.e. liberal-left) interpretation of the US (not Alabama) constitution. So even though it was a STATE court, it was doing the Feds dirtywork.


15 posted on 10/04/2004 12:46:31 PM PDT by Stop_Neocons (These posts need some outside the box thinking, as does our nation)
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To: hyperpoly8

It's an old decision, but it's classically immoral, so it is relevant here.


16 posted on 10/04/2004 12:47:15 PM PDT by Stop_Neocons (These posts need some outside the box thinking, as does our nation)
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To: hyperpoly8
Moore didn't act like a fool, but there was a consequence to his principled stand. The first wrong was done by the federal court, ruling on what monument can or cannot be placed in the Alabama statehouse. It was none of the federal gov't's business. Right or wrong on the ruling, Moore was obligated to obey legally. Morally and even constitutionally, I think he did the right thing. But the price he paid for his principled stand was also inevitable. Legally, he was obliged to obey and go on fighting. The federal judge should have been removed, and then the ruling should have been set right by another. Of course that was never going to happen and Roy Moore knew it. That's why he took his stand. Unfortunately, most Americans do not care whether they have a right to recognize God anywhere, any place, any time, or not.
17 posted on 10/04/2004 12:54:50 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Stop_Neocons

So...it's OK for the Supreme Court to become involved if, and only if you agree with them? Otherwise they need to butt out?


18 posted on 10/04/2004 12:55:32 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Stop_Neocons

It was decided around 1857 (sorry, I don't have a history book handy) by five Southern justices trying to diminish the separatist feelings in the south. It was a poor judicial decision, just like Mr. Moore's decision, so, in that way I guess you could say they were similar. Dred Scott didn't disobey any court orders, he just felt that after living in Minnesota he was free from slavery, in accordance with the Missouri Compromise. The majority of the court (all from the South) disagreed.


19 posted on 10/04/2004 12:57:37 PM PDT by hyperpoly8 (Illegitimati Non Carborundum)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Mr. Moore just wanted his view of God and creation to be on display in "his" courthouse. It didn't belong there. I am tired of religious folk trying to invoke their religion in places it does not belong. I would not have cared to have a case tried by someone who thought like Mr. Moore.


20 posted on 10/04/2004 1:02:07 PM PDT by hyperpoly8 (Illegitimati Non Carborundum)
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