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File-Swap Software Poses Threat to Hollywood (BitTorrent)
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 9/27/04 | Dawn C. Chmielewski

Posted on 10/04/2004 10:10:02 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom

New technology threatens to do to Hollywood what Napster did to music. … BitTorrent is much faster than file-swapping software used to exchange movies and music over the Internet. … BitTorrent can transfer a feature-length film in about two hours -- a fraction of the 12 hours it typically takes with file-sharing services like Kazaa. ... the speed of the download actually increases with the number of people sharing a particular file.

BitTorrent ... imperils the movie studios' most lucrative source of revenue -- the $17.5 billion the industry reaped last year from DVD sales and rentals.

BitTorrent is a departure from the file-sharing technologies that allow one computer user to obtain a file directly from another over the Internet. Napster popularized file-swapping. When the courts shut down Napster in July 2001, file-swappers switched to Kazaa, which offered a new type of file-sharing program that quickly became the world's most popular ... . Both Napster and Kazaa created self-contained networks that allowed individuals to search for and obtain [files].

BitTorrent isn't a permanent network. It is a software tool that spawns impromptu networks of computer users, all of whom are seeking the same digital file. What makes it speedier than Kazaa is the notion of reciprocity. Anyone downloading a copy of [a movie] is simultaneously exchanging portions of the movie they've already downloaded with others.

It's like a group of people sitting around a table, all trying to assemble a complete version of the hot-selling book "The Da Vinci Code." The book's owner has distributed the pages so that no one has a complete copy. Thus everyone copies and distributes the pages they have in exchange for the missing pages. The swap continues until everyone has the entire book.

Once a download is completed, the network disconnects and disappears without a trace.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


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To: ProtectOurFreedom
This is the new business model in this brave new era of outsourcing. Entertainers and their producers are no more worthy of surviving than engineers, programmers, sys admins, etc.

Sing it once, get paid once. And the price better go down with each performance.

21 posted on 10/04/2004 10:43:12 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Salgak

"OTOH, selling people on a movie that's utter dreck OTHER than the highlights shown in a trailer is a sort of theft as well: a "bait and switch"."




So, let me get this straight. A movie company makes a movie you don't like, so that justifies your stealing movies you DO like from other companies. The logic here escapes me.

So, if some car company implies in their ads that if you drive their car you'll get girls, and you buy the car, but you still can't get a date, it's OK to steal a car from any automobile company? Wierd logic, indeed.

Look, movies and music cost money. They're products, just as much as a car is. Stealing them is stealing. It's against the law. It's theft.

How hard is that to understand?

I don't really give a darn if you do steal them. But be aware: you may well get caught, and then you'll discover that stealing is frowned upon by the law.

And if you think, in any way, that your web browsing is somehow anonymous, I suggest you get a job at Charter.net or someplace like that and see just how private your web access really is. Feh!


22 posted on 10/04/2004 10:45:22 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I had trouble getting bittorrent to work for me the last time I tried to install it so I could download a copy of Knoppix before they moved the ISO out to the official mirrors. I'll be sure and have it working next time so I won't have to wait for the mirrors to recover from the overload they experience with new releases. Bittorrent is the official and reccommended way of downloading Knoppix, so it's not only good for piracy.
23 posted on 10/04/2004 10:47:06 AM PDT by zeugma (Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely too.)
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To: 1stFreedom

Well, my main point is that BT is just a tool, like any other, that can be used for good or ill.


24 posted on 10/04/2004 10:52:52 AM PDT by B Knotts ("John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security.")
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To: 1stFreedom

"I know for sure that many cable companies (like Time Warner), once served with any form of legal notice, will give you up in a heartbeat. They watch for people downloading MP3 music, keep a list ready, and when asked, turn it over.
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Yes, Time Warner, a company which has extensive entertainment divisions. Ya think they might be interested in web piracy? I'd guess so.

So you use Time Warner Cable to access the net. Let's see how that might work. Time Warner discovers that lots of people are downloading movies, etc. which are Time Warner properties. Do you suppose they might be monitoring their cable modem subscribers to catch that? Gee. What a surprise that would be.

Steal stuff and you run the risk of getting caught. I can't believe so many people believe they can do this with impunity over a long period of time. Watch out, file sharers. The enforcement efforts are just beginning.


25 posted on 10/04/2004 10:53:03 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: 1stFreedom

I always suspected that Suprnova.org was a MPAA honeypot anyway. It could be that they offer movies up, see who comes in to get them, note their IPs, and then serve the legal notice of infringement.


26 posted on 10/04/2004 10:53:28 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

bump


27 posted on 10/04/2004 10:59:21 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: MineralMan
Terrible metaphor.

When you steal a car, you inevitably steal it from an individual (unless you manage to take it from a car lot).

When you steal intellectual property, you are taking it from behemoth entertainment corporations that charge you $20+ for a thin peice of plastic that has a manufacturing cost of 4 cents.

Philosophically, I agree. Theft is theft. However, your attempt at moral equivalency has failed miserably.
28 posted on 10/04/2004 11:01:44 AM PDT by z3n
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To: JenB
"...isn't bittorrent great?"

I love it!

As usual, the MSM is waaaaayyy behind the times. BT has been around for quite awhile.

29 posted on 10/04/2004 11:02:36 AM PDT by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: MineralMan; All

>> Time Warner discovers that lots of people are downloading movies, etc. which are Time Warner properties. Do you suppose they might be monitoring their cable modem subscribers to catch that

Yes. My roomate temped for the TW division that handles this. They do monitor activity, and they will assist ANY company that has a claim.


30 posted on 10/04/2004 11:02:39 AM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: Revolting cat!
Like stealing the San Jose Mercury News' intellectual property by posting this article here? Pity. Shame.

Grin

C'mon...my carefully-edited 300 word excerpt complies with all FR posting guidelines and federal copyright law!

31 posted on 10/04/2004 11:03:43 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: z3n

"When you steal a car, you inevitably steal it from an individual (unless you manage to take it from a car lot)."

Yes, I should have specified a car lot. The comparison is still apt, given that proviso.

The value of the item is immaterial. Stealing a movie is exactly the same as stealing anything else. It is simply stealing property that belongs to someone else. It's wrong.


32 posted on 10/04/2004 11:04:42 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Smogger
"now that we have copyright in perpetuity... i have little respect for this concept."

Exactly. Congress keeps extending copyright ahead of expiration, violating the whole intent of the Constitutional provision. That means all bets are off. The copyright holders brought all this on themselves when they paid off legislators to effectively insulate them from any copyright limits at all.

33 posted on 10/04/2004 11:05:35 AM PDT by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: 1stFreedom

Yes, your IP address is shared by the tracker and other peers downloading the same torrent.


34 posted on 10/04/2004 11:06:11 AM PDT by wesdale
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To: 1stFreedom

"Yes. My roomate temped for the TW division that handles this. They do monitor activity, and they will assist ANY company that has a claim.
"




Oh, the horror! And all these folks who have TW cable now have to worry about stealing stuff.

For Pete's sake! Don't people understand that their illegal activities are likely to get them in trouble? Personally, I wouldn't risk ANYTHING to watch a stupid movie or listen to some music. I guess different folks have a different point of view on what are acceptable risks.

I'd advise caution for all you TW Cable users. You may be stealing a TW intellectual property. The cable company might just have an interest in your thievery, doncha think?

Other cable companies? Oh, they're interested, too.


35 posted on 10/04/2004 11:08:10 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

"New technology"? IT's been around AT LEAST a year that I know of.

Bit Torrent use can be effective, but it just as often ends with a duead and unusable file. This sort of "swarming" file sharing is going to be VERY difficult for the media companies to stamp out.


36 posted on 10/04/2004 11:09:04 AM PDT by TheBattman (Islam - the cult of Satan - The DemocRAT Party= Acolytes of SATAN)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

BitTorrent? They ought to callit BitTrickle. Most of the time it's agonizingly slow.


37 posted on 10/04/2004 11:09:37 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War (Calvinism Fever: Catch It! (Or don't. It's not like it's going to do you any good anyway...))
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To: Bonaparte

""now that we have copyright in perpetuity... i have little respect for this concept."
Exactly. Congress keeps extending copyright ahead of expiration, violating the whole intent of the Constitutional provision. That means all bets are off. The copyright holders brought all this on themselves when they paid off legislators to effectively insulate them from any copyright limits at all."




What a lame excuse for thievery! All bets are not off, I assure you. I'd exercise caution.


38 posted on 10/04/2004 11:09:44 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Dont Mention the War

Depends what you're downloading... I get some amazing speeds if I start the downloading as soon as the file's been released. Couple thousand other users downloading at the same time really helps.

If I'm trying to download an older file and there's maybe 10 downloaders and 2 seeds, that takes forever.


39 posted on 10/04/2004 11:14:28 AM PDT by JenB
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To: z3n; MineralMan
When you steal intellectual property, you are taking it from behemoth entertainment corporations that charge you $20+ for a thin peice of plastic that has a manufacturing cost of 4 cents.

Actually, it's very difficult to "steal" intellectual property. You'd have to break into a movie production facility and remove or destroy all copies of the media. BitTorrent and similar tools can be used for copyright infringement, but equating that to stealing is inaccurate as the victim still has use of the property. I'm not defending the practice, but it's clear that Hollywood is vastly exaggerating the threat as an excuse for more unbalanced copyright laws.

40 posted on 10/04/2004 11:15:16 AM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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