[TigersEye]

Maybe this is just an individual sort of thing, but as a man, I don't view myself as nobly granting to women the power to decline my invitations.

Neither do I. It simply doesn't matter how either of us views it. It's just a, generally speaking and historically supportable, fact.

I honestly think that the main reason that most men don't commit rape is because they have no innate desire to engage in nonconsexual sex.

I suppose so. That is an entirely different question. A man doesn't have to commit rape to get sex though. Given his advantages he can obtain permission fairly easily if he understands those advantages and has a little skill at psychological manipulation.

You have to understand that hopespringseternal's statement isn't about an individual experience it's a generalisation based on historical experience and biological facts. You may have ethics and personal standards of behavior. So do I. But we don't have to. That's one fact. Whenever a woman allows herself to be in a situation alone with a man she must face those facts.

[Scenic Sounds]

You have to understand that hopespringseternal's statement isn't about an individual experience it's a generalisation based on historical experience and biological facts. You may have ethics and personal standards of behavior. So do I. But we don't have to. That's one fact.

I think I understand what you're saying here, but I'm not completely sure. What I have said is that I don't think that most men abstain from raping women because of "ethics and personal standards of behavior." I think most men abstain from raping women because they have no innate desire to engage in nonconsexual sex. In other words, I don't think that most men ever have to confront any ethical questions - they don't find themselves saying, "I'd like to, but I shouldn't, and thus will restrain myself" because they wouldn't "like to" to begin with. It has nothing to do with "power" and everything to do with desire.

Whenever a woman allows herself to be in a situation alone with a man she must face those facts.

There's no question about that. Obviously, there are some men who do seem to have a desire for nonconsensual sex and there is no foolproof way for women to distinguish such men from the majority of men who (I believe) don't have such desires. So, yeah, women have to be cautious because there are some abnormal guys out there and no matter how efficiently we kill, castrate, incarcerate or adequately threaten them, we won't be able to completely eliminate the hazard. I wish we could. ;-)