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Here is the post that kicked off this debate. Is he talking about history or what's natural? Is he talking about rape or a psychological dynamic? I would say he's right on the money. You can decide for yourself what the rebuttals mean.

As best I understand that post, this seems to be the central premise:

"Sex is a situation where the man has the power, which they grant the woman. The power, the physical ability to say no, comes from the man. He grants this power to the woman. While this may not be always literally true, it is psychologically and spiritually true of the sexual relationship between man and woman."

Maybe this is just an individual sort of thing, but as a man, I don't view myself as nobly granting to women the power to decline my invitations. I honestly think that the main reason that most men don't commit rape is because they have no innate desire to engage in nonconsexual sex. It's really that simple for me.

"Maybe this is just an individual sort of thing, but as a man, I don't view myself as nobly granting to women the power to decline my invitations. I honestly think that the main reason that most men don't commit rape is because they have no innate desire to engage in nonconsexual sex. It's really that simple for me."

Yup. I've always found that sex was much, much more fun when both parties are willing and active participants. I can't imagine why anyone would want to have sex with someone who didn't want to engage in that activity. Different strokes, I guess.

When I was stationed in Turkey in the USAF, there was a government-run brothel (Turkish) near the isolated base where I was stationed. Lots of the other guys frequented the brothel, but I could never quite see the point. Frankly, I'd rather do it myself than have sex with someone for money. It just didn't appeal.

Maybe this is just an individual sort of thing, but as a man, I don't view myself as nobly granting to women the power to decline my invitations. I honestly think that the main reason that most men don't commit rape is because they have no innate desire to engage in nonconsexual sex.

Actually, there is very little nobility in it, and if you think there is you have a problem. Any of us has the power to "lie in wait" and kill someone. That few people do isn't evidence of noble character, rather it is simply evidence that we are not of particularly nasty character.

Maybe this is just an individual sort of thing, but as a man, I don't view myself as nobly granting to women the power to decline my invitations.

Neither do I. It simply doesn't matter how either of us views it. It's just a, generally speaking and historically supportable, fact.

I honestly think that the main reason that most men don't commit rape is because they have no innate desire to engage in nonconsexual sex.

I suppose so. That is an entirely different question. A man doesn't have to commit rape to get sex though. Given his advantages he can obtain permission fairly easily if he understands those advantages and has a little skill at psychological manipulation.

You have to understand that hopespringseternal's statement isn't about an individual experience it's a generalisation based on historical experience and biological facts. You may have ethics and personal standards of behavior. So do I. But we don't have to. That's one fact. Whenever a woman allows herself to be in a situation alone with a man she must face those facts.