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States want fuel tax replaced - Fee-based sytem monitors car and computes charges
Houston Chronicle ^ | October 4, 2004 | LUCAS WALL

Posted on 10/04/2004 1:24:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

PHILADELPHIA - Paying your road taxes in the future might depend more on how much you drive than how much gasoline you pump.

Texas is among a group of states researching how to replace the fuel tax with a fee based on the number of miles traveled — making every road a virtual tollway. Transportation officials from across the world discussed the concept here at last month's annual meetings of the trade groups representing the highway and tollway industries.

Fees for miles traveled would be measured by Global Positioning System receivers embedded in vehicles. The system would track which roads a motorist uses so the virtual tolls could be distributed to the appropriate agency.

Each jurisdiction could set its own per-mile fee. Data would be downloaded from vehicles monthly for billing, or could be transmitted at service stations in lieu of the gas tax.

Jack Lettiere, New Jersey transportation commissioner, said most states are falling short of collecting enough gas-tax revenue to meet mobility needs and they desire a new funding mechanism.

"We're hoping this is a theory that can go into practice," Lettiere said at the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials meeting. "It has a lot of useful benefits."

Researchers love the idea that driving taxes could be adjusted to promote or discourage certain actions. The system could charge more per mile during peak hours, for instance, or add a surcharge for heavy trucks and sport utility vehicles.

Those promoting a mileage-based approach to highway taxes contend driving should be metered and billed according to use.

"Why shouldn't transportation be seen as a utility like electricity, water, etc.?" Hal Worrall, a consultant for Transportation Innovations Inc., asked during a panel at the International Bridge, Tunnel and Toll Road Association conference. "It's perceived as free in America and thus produces a large demand."

David Forkenbrock, director of the University of Iowa Public Policy Center, has been working on a model for four years. His research is funded by 15 states, including Texas, and the Federal Highway Administration.

As more hybrid and alternative-power vehicles are built, Forkenbrock said, gas-tax collections will suffer.

"A tax at the point of purchase is inferior to user charges at the exact point of travel," he said, explaining the growth of toll roads in recent years.

Oregon has already tested a mileage-based charge. It starts a pilot project next year with 280 volunteer drivers in Eugene, who will be exempt from fuel taxes in exchange for paying their per-mile assessment.

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KEYWORDS: autos; cars; driving; gas; oil; roadtax; taxes; transportation
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1 posted on 10/04/2004 1:24:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Great...

Big brother monitoring everywhere you go in your car...

Lawyers and government will love that...

Land of the free...

At least once upon a time...


2 posted on 10/04/2004 1:29:26 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yep. The chip is coming. And where do the records go? Who can have access to them?


3 posted on 10/04/2004 1:30:11 AM PDT by endthematrix (Bad news is good news for the Kerry campaign!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

NO, NO, NO Taxes! I will jam the signals, break the odometer, build my own car. These tax are highway robbery.


4 posted on 10/04/2004 1:30:41 AM PDT by Major_Risktaker ("Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Actually I thing in several places they have this in place. There is a GLOBAL association that advocates this GPS monitored approach to transportation. I'm the pessimist on FR and the vision I see isn't so warm and fuzzy....
5 posted on 10/04/2004 1:32:35 AM PDT by endthematrix (Bad news is good news for the Kerry campaign!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Just imagine, government knowing everywhere you've gone, at what time, how fast, if you stopped at the stop sign or rolled through it, what businesses you went to, what friends you visited, if you simply went for a drive without stopping anywhere else, or even if you were near the scene of a crime, you name it...

I think I have a MAJOR problem with this.
6 posted on 10/04/2004 1:35:10 AM PDT by DB (©)
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" will jam the signals"

Sorry that's violation of federal law.

"break the odometer"

Damaging state property.

"build my own car"

Huge EPA/Kyoto no-no.

"These tax are highway robbery."

Welcome to the future!

7 posted on 10/04/2004 1:37:21 AM PDT by endthematrix (Bad news is good news for the Kerry campaign!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I drive 80 - 100,000 miles a year.

I guess I could justify saying GET OFF MY ROAD!,

8 posted on 10/04/2004 1:38:55 AM PDT by Flyer (Pardon the dust while we renovate our tag line to better serve you)
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People who drive cars have no clue to what truck drivers and trucking companies have been putting up with for years already. QUAL-COMM is a GPS like system installed in every truck by companies who have a certain number of trucks in their fleet. This system monitors everything from the speed of the truck to what the rpms of the truck's engine is, to where to the truck is at all times, to when the truck stopped last and where, etc........ For years truckers have been under the watchful eye of Big Brother. Did you know in some areas, truckers can get speeding tickets without ever seeing a police officer?? All the officer has to do is either hook up to the truck's system with his own system or go to the company and check their system. Fines sent by the mail, what a concept. The photo taking devices set up at stoplights for people who run lights is another Big Brother system. Finally, the people who drive cars are getting a taste of the crap a truck driver has been eating all these years. Get used of it everyone, it will only get worse.
9 posted on 10/04/2004 1:40:07 AM PDT by antiunion person (Re-elect Bush for President)
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I strongly wonder how support for the tracking of the movement of individuals breaks down along party lines. It has such an Orwellian flavor that I don't see how it can even be supported politically, no matter if you are Democrat or Republican.

The article makes it seem as if this idea is being promoted solely by bureaucrats at the moment. The shadow government, so to speak.


10 posted on 10/04/2004 1:40:09 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Sick and Big Brotherish


11 posted on 10/04/2004 1:45:35 AM PDT by dennisw (Gd is against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

More employment for brain dead bureaucrats and affirmative action hires. Wheeeeeeeee!


12 posted on 10/04/2004 1:46:50 AM PDT by dennisw (Gd is against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: dennisw; Cincinatus' Wife
Intelligent Transportation Systems (USDOT)http://www.its.dot.gov/links.htm
13 posted on 10/04/2004 1:52:01 AM PDT by endthematrix (Bad news is good news for the Kerry campaign!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Why doesn't the government go and make sure that all the cargo ships are safe before entering US waters--that should keep them busy enough not to bother me for awhile.


14 posted on 10/04/2004 1:58:31 AM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I sure don't like this. None of my vehicles has a GPS module in it (all pre-1982). I really don't feel like needing a 'second mortgage' to buy a new one, especially when I don't trust computerized engines.


15 posted on 10/04/2004 1:58:37 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6)
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To: DB
or even if you were near the scene of a crime

The government already has access to this information via cell phones. When someone changes cells, a computer logs it. The OnStar type systems built into cars are even worse. The government can get a court order to listen in as you drive.

16 posted on 10/04/2004 2:07:14 AM PDT by Reeses
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Yes, OnStar is bad for a host of reasons.

Cell phones at least are not nearly as accurate as GPS at locating you. General vicinity is about the best they currently do.
17 posted on 10/04/2004 2:16:42 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Big Brother in your car - now the government nickels and dimes you for driving to the grocery store and the local mall. Sheesh, its a blatant attempt to force the peasants back into mass transit and riding bicycles. Which liberals love.


18 posted on 10/04/2004 2:17:27 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What a dumb idea. Why should people driving a fuel efficient car pay the same tax as a gas guzzler.

An uneccessarily convuluted scheme that only a dem. could love.


19 posted on 10/04/2004 2:32:04 AM PDT by orangelobster
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To: DB

Cell phone manufacturers soon have to put locating features into phones under the guise of 911 service, via triangulation and other methods. GPS doesn't work in buildings or in big cities so it has limitations. It's possible to measure the phase angles of a cell phone signal to determine its location within a fraction of an inch. Governments, both foreign and domestic, couldn't have asked for a better personal tracking device.


20 posted on 10/04/2004 2:41:45 AM PDT by Reeses
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