Posted on 10/03/2004 1:27:55 PM PDT by wagglebee
I would prefer Bush just win in a landslide. sKerry can go back to whatever fantasy world he lives in and we can all sleep safely.
Then he WAS subject to the UCMJ in 70 and 71. Therefore he should have been given prison time or at a minimum, other than honorable discharge. You made the case for us.
Of all things in politics, the bias of the MSM upsets me the most.
And while he was doing his anti-war crap, hurting our troops back then like he is DOING RIGHT NOW, NONE of his RECORDS from that period are on file...he WILL NOT SIGH THE 180 FORM which will COMPLETELY RESLEASE all his records.
WOULD SEEM that anyone who wants to be President, especially as COMMANDER AND CHIEF of our forces, should HAVE TO RELEASE his service records, if he or she has served. Of course, cowardly billy boy who loathed the miltary and wrote about it to his draft board while he was on education leave in England (at Oxford where he NEVER FINISHED, and there is a sick story behind that one) would not even release his full MEDICAL RECORDS. (Of course, neither will john kerry! LOL)
President Bush AUTHORIZED RELEASE OF ALL OF HIS RECORDS and sKerry released all but 100 pages of his records and WILL NOT AUTHORIZE THEIR RELEASE. All he has to do is sign the Form 180. His defense is "I have released all of the records someone gave me".
Matter of public record.
I can relate, I am in the same place. So much so that I have prayed about it, asking for exposure, and believe, with all of my heart, that my prayers (along with thousands of others from everywhere, no doubt, are being answered).
Our deeply biased MSM press, which has become worse in its urgency to promote a democrat candidate, regardless of that person's history or lack of character, but simply to keep conservatives out of office, could destroy our nation, in the end.
Many sense this, and this could be the reason the internet and Fox News Cable have risen to such prominence..out of a desparate need for the truth, or at the very least, a desparate need for balance, for both sides of the issue, as it were.
Oh yeah....we cannot allow America to be kerry's fantasy playground.
Got me on the trainer, but Bush didn't amass hundreds of hours on a trainer. Humbly, I correct myself. Looked up the F-102 and found that its missile armaments were stored internally and not on external pylons. However I think Kerry should take a ride in the F-102, especially since I discovered that F-102s were converted to pilotless target a/c for Topgun practice.
Lots of Kerry's (but by NO MEANS, all) have been posted on "johnkerry.com." Some of the documents posted may not be forgeries. Some, like the Lehman Citations are almost certainly forged documents.
There are several DD214s availavble for "Viet Cong" Kerry. The first is dated 15 Dec 66. It discharges Kerry from Naval Officer Candidate School and shows as "Reason and Authority" "Accept Commission" and shows a BUPERS cite.
The next DD214 is dated 03 01(Jan) 70 and shaows as "Type of Transfer or Discharge," "RELEASED FROM ACTIVE DUTY AND TRANSFERED TO NAVAL RESERVE."
There is a letter of Feb 18 1978 discharging Kerry from the Naval Reserve but it has not related DD214 and, of course, should. There is a DD215 dated 20010312 (March 12, 2001) correcting the DD214 of 03-01-70.
Kerry is refusing to release honest copies of all his military records because they would show that he was discharged from the USNR under other than honorable conditions in mid-1970 or early 1971 and was then, later pardoned by Jimmy Carter in 1977. There are also documents that demonstrate his efforts to get his records adjusted.
Look at Traitor John's site. There are lots of military documents. Some are real and some are forgeries.
Well, if the Republicans had a majority in both houses and a Republican president to sign the legislation, they could pass a law that running for President was equivalent to signing a form 180 (as far as releasing records was concerned).
"two DNC drones come to my front door and tell me that they weren't sure whether or not meeting in Paris with the communist reps was "illegal". "
Yeah, and if they have their way we'll have even more lawyers running this government. There is no right or wrong, only "legal".......
So there's no reason not to disclose everything, right?
Nobody is convincing me that Kerry's record is clean until he signs that release. Until then, his record stinks to high heaven and is completely untrustworthy (like him).
"DD215 dated 20010312 (March 12, 2001) correcting the DD214 of 03-01-70."
yes, but it is correcting #24, awards (adding them!!).
I did not see anything about changing the condition of service.
It is not amending the DD214 of his final discharge from the Naval Reserve which we have not seen; but there are orders he has posted saying it was honorable. Is that set of orders one of the things you think has been forged?
>>Matter of public record.<<
Do you know where I would find it?
Kerry was thrown out of the Navy. All documents related to that are been concealed. He was pardoned by Carter. Kerry then petitioned DoD to reverse the negative actions in his record. That drove the 1978 honorable discharge.
What is missing are all the documents related to Kerry's less than honorable discharge and the documents related to his efforts to get DoD to change.
He is hiding some terrible stain or else he would have signed a SF-180 long ago. The Ratherr forgers were actually hired by the DNC/Kerry/McAuliffe (?) to forge military documents and did the CBS fakes as a sideline.
Kerry's forgeries almost certainly are all post-3/70. It is his post-Nam service (mostly to the Viet Cong) that he is trying to make sure no one investigates. The Swifties don't know about it and no one who does has spoken up.
With Kerry and the dems, anything could be as fake as the CBS forgeries. The Swifties have actually done Traitor John a big favor by confirming much of his Nam record. It is the psot-Nam record where Kerry is dirty and can't afford to be truthful about.
"The Ratherr forgers were actually hired by the DNC/Kerry/McAuliffe (?) to forge military documents and did the CBS fakes as a sideline."
Ahaaa the plot thickens! And makes a GREAT deal of sense. Who was it (a detective) who said not to believe in coincidences?
BTW how can the Kreep look himself straight in the mirror every morning? He is lower than low. How can he falsely accuse an honorable man of things HE is guilty of?? Esp. when he is guilty of far worse!! It is worse than hypocrisy.
There have been several earlier threads discussing, in great detail, the issue of Kerry and the UCMJ, i.e., its applicability to Kerry's meeting with the Vietnamese Communists in Paris and his VVAW activities. At this point, it is a moot question. In order to be prosecuted, Kerry should have been recalled to active duty in order to charge him. There are some leagal questions about the applicability of the UCMJ to Reservists not on active duty.
At this point, no one thinks the USG will attempt to prosecute Kerry or Jane Fonda. The Holzers' book, "Aid and Comfort", goes into the legal arguments for prosecuting Fonda for treason and makes a very compelling case. However, the discussion is just academic now.
Of course Kerry should be pressed to authorize release of his complete military record. I would like to see the documents surrounding his first PH. No after action or casualty report has been released like they were for the other two. I would like to see Kerry's replacement citation (and medal) requests for his 1985 citations and certificates (Silver and Bronze) signed by SECNAV Lehman and the three PH citations signed by BUPERS in 1985. I would like to see the nomination forms for Kerry's medals. This is just for starters.
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