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Kerry accuses Bush of lying about debate (AP via CNN)
AP via CNN ^ | 10-2-4 | AP

Posted on 10/02/2004 9:39:38 PM PDT by Petronski

WASHINGTON (AP) -- John Kerry on Saturday looked to frame the next presidential debate in a speech criticizing President Bush's economic record, but also tried to get in a final word about their last face-off by declaring himself the winner and Bush a liar.

"George Bush lost the debate," an announcer says in a television ad Kerry's campaign unveiled Saturday. "Now he's lying about it."

The Democratic presidential candidate's accusation comes two days after his first debate with Bush, when he told moderator Jim Lehrer that he avoids saying that the president is lying to the American people.

"I've never, ever used the harshest word, as you did just then," Kerry said. "And I try not to, but I'll nevertheless tell you that I think he has not been candid with the American people."

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arrogantbraggart; flipflop; hypocrite; kerry; kerrylies
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To: Soul Seeker

Main complaint about W and other Republicans is that they have allowed the Dems. to get away with slanderous lies and mean-spirited rhetoric for FOUR years!!! Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country!!


61 posted on 10/02/2004 10:10:47 PM PDT by whadizit
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To: AnnaZ
Senator Kerry, if you won the debate, you wouldn't need to resort to name calling. Especially the one name you would "heh heh NEVER EVER" use against the President.

You're just mad at yourself for letting your communist side slip out through your Global Test remark.

62 posted on 10/02/2004 10:11:54 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Petronski
I just have one thing to say about his ad campaign:

THANK YOU CLINTON ADVISERS!!! YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB MAKING SURE HILLARY IS THE CANDIDATE IN 2008!!!!

I mean, come on, has any presidential candidate EVER done a "nyah nyah I won the debate" commercial????!?!
63 posted on 10/02/2004 10:11:57 PM PDT by flashbunny (John Kerry: The Boston Flailer)
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To: Jenya
Listen Newbie, I have ONE thing to say to you:

That's a GREAT post, that cartoon ROCKS THE (MSM) HOUSE!

64 posted on 10/02/2004 10:12:01 PM PDT by Henchster
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To: Slings and Arrows; Petronski

Never mind; saw the link.


65 posted on 10/02/2004 10:12:02 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: undeniable logic
This is remarkabely humorous given that in the debate, Kerry claimed that he never used that "harsh" word...

Which in itself was a lie.

To paraphrase Churchill:

John Kerry is a lie inside a falsehood wrapped in a fabrication.

66 posted on 10/02/2004 10:12:39 PM PDT by Petronski (Watching Heinz and Kerry show affection is like watching two lobsters in a kung fu movie.)
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To: whadizit

Seems to me that taking the hits over the past few years has helped inoculate Bush and diluted the Dems power to claim the Republicans are "mean". Yeah, I wanted them to respond more forcefully at times, but in retrospect it's aided them.


67 posted on 10/02/2004 10:13:17 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Soul Seeker

Gotcha, and btw, nice observation...I missed that.


68 posted on 10/02/2004 10:13:24 PM PDT by Petronski (Watching Heinz and Kerry show affection is like watching two lobsters in a kung fu movie.)
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To: Petronski
"Kerry argued that Bush cares most about the wealthy and well-connected, while portraying himself as the patron of working families who are struggling to achieve the American dream."

Will he financially rape his lovely wife terraza? She's nearly one of the wealthiest women in the United States. they couldn't afford his clothes,accessories, hair cut, manicure, homeS or cars he drives and he wouldn't be caught dead in what their economic bracket could afford.

Do people really think a man of such extreme privilege can relate to them?

69 posted on 10/02/2004 10:13:45 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: undeniable logic

New ad for the Bush campaign!

The Dems can rerun Bush's expressions, and Bush is going to have a field day with his wrods. LOL


70 posted on 10/02/2004 10:15:05 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: ambrose

> So he was against the Global Test before
> he was for it? Is that Kerry's argument?

Well, that's one of them. He also argues that he was for the Global Test before he was against it.


71 posted on 10/02/2004 10:15:07 PM PDT by EaglesUpForever
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To: Petronski

Kerry knows that he will be shown to be a liar over numerous statements he made within the debate. This is about preemptively creating an atmosphere of moral equivalence.


72 posted on 10/02/2004 10:16:17 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Three choices: War on Terror, submit to Islam, or die.)
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To: Petronski
OH PUT A BAGEL IN IT KERRY,YOU ELITIST SNOB!
73 posted on 10/02/2004 10:16:26 PM PDT by tapatio (If a dog makes a dash for my trousers, I shoot him down before he can bite)
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To: Petronski

hopefully someone will do a grab of it...it captures kerry perfectly.

I'm thinking at least a few of the players on madtv are pro-bush - the 'dollar bill' guy endorsed him in a skit.


74 posted on 10/02/2004 10:16:27 PM PDT by flashbunny (John Kerry: The Boston Flailer)
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To: Soul Seeker

Innoculation to these criticisms is exactly the point I tried to make on the live thread: both men came across as they truly are, warts and all. Trouble is, Bush's warts are known and accepted (even endearing), while Kerry's warts involve lies and dumb mistakes (like Russia's Treblinka square, or the Pottery Barn, etc.).

Further, both men did succeed in conveying their message. Trouble is, a majority of Americans agree with Bush and disagree with Kerry (when they can get any kind of bead on what Lurch is actually saying).


75 posted on 10/02/2004 10:17:30 PM PDT by Petronski (Watching Heinz and Kerry show affection is like watching two lobsters in a kung fu movie.)
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To: Darkwolf377
This fellow is so easy to get off message. He was back on the defensive yesterday, just as his campaign spokesfolks were claiming they had finally gone on the offense.
76 posted on 10/02/2004 10:17:45 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: Petronski
This ad is dumb idea for Kerry, but Bush is not harmed.

I hope you are right. In fact I hope the arrogance shown by Kerry in this ad backfires.

But I still can't blame Dems for gloating over the debate. Bush really blew it.

77 posted on 10/02/2004 10:18:38 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: GoLightly
I didn't think it was possible to lie about an opinion.

I know, that is the first thing that came to my mind. What in idiot. lol
78 posted on 10/02/2004 10:19:06 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Petronski

I was for using the word lied before I was against it but now I am for it again.


79 posted on 10/02/2004 10:21:12 PM PDT by nonkultur
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To: Darkwolf377

Right, and it's bad form to go about claiming to have 'won' a debate. People are not going to respond favorably to this action. Kerry cannot help being Kerry. It does him in.

I'm also certain that when the Kerry camp heard they "won" the debate, they thought it meant he won votes. Uh-uh. The country rarely judges a "win" in debates on where their vote will go or on agreement with the issues. It's all about presentation. These folks do not understand how this works.

My guess it that they are beginning to get a crash course in how someone can "win" presentation points, and lose on what matters. Substance.


80 posted on 10/02/2004 10:22:00 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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